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Empty homes and the never ending housing bubble : Comments

By Karl Fitzgerald, published 21/11/2013

The sixth Speculative Vacancies report found over 64,000 empty homes in Melbourne.

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I'm glad you've highlighted this problem. It's time for a new political party - 'Affordable Housing Party".
Low capital gains tax is one cause but not the only reason.
Negative gearing on established homes needs to be phased out. I think this is encourages speculation and high house prices.
Land tax is a moot point but I think increased rates on vacant properties would be a fair move.
Posted by Roses1, Thursday, 21 November 2013 4:19:49 PM
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having bought a investment property in the 1990's I doubt whether I would be in a hurry again. It was trashed within a year by a single mum and to this day it is doubtful I have made any money out of it. The banks, the real estate agents and the welfare recipents were the biggest winners. The loser was the one trying to do something about helping towards my own retirement. It is certainly easier to bludge on the taxpayer in retirement than have fools accusing those who try and improve their lives as the villians just because they get a tax break in helping the homeless.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 21 November 2013 4:29:21 PM
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this..says it..all

<<..Over $50 billion is given to property investors
in tax subsidies..each year.

Those on Newstart receive barely $6 billion in welfare.>>

then add in..the rent assistance..so..the investor can..off set
that to..the loss their property makes after leasing..their own home back..via caymen-islands..or amsterdam..or isle of man

govt must get the heck..out of housing
and investors should be paying back..allthe cash..
but hey lobbied their mates..are all..doing it..too..is no excuse

govt should step in
or squatters should just move in..and lease it to each other..

[a lease is lawfull excuse to occupy.]
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 21 November 2013 7:16:19 PM
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...64 thousand empty homes in Melbourne alone: Dare I suggest this would be a consequence of selling our housing stock to foreign investors.
Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 21 November 2013 7:59:25 PM
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Karl if you want to house the multitude, go for it, provided you do it with your own property, money & time. Just leave the rest of us out of your plans thank you.

If you are stupid enough to rent out houses, that is your choice, but you have no right to try to force others to risk their properties to renters. I have seen too many good people have houses trashed by yobos to ever consider renting anything other than commercial premises.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 21 November 2013 9:46:07 PM
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"enough housing for at least 160,000 people"

Well, that covers this year's immigrants.
What about next year? And the year after.

Stop immigration and demand (and therefore prices) will drop precipitously.

A reason not mentioned in the article for disuse is all the local rules about zoning and building regulations.

Something built in 1887 is expected to comply with contemporary regulations or no development application will be approved.

Change of use DAs and zoning rules complicate the reuse of vacant buildings for a different purpose.

Many buildings are probably tied up in litigation between competing "heirs".

Repealing or amending these laws and regulations would remove a lot of the obstructionist red tape.
Posted by Shockadelic, Thursday, 21 November 2013 10:27:09 PM
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I'm puzzled by the economics behind these statistics.

If property prices are going up, it is because there are people willing to pay more for a particular property than they were yesterday.

They are either i) buying so they have somewhere to live, or ii) buying so that they can earn rental revenue. I don't believe there is a class of buyer who buys so that they can sit on an empty property and wait for the price to go up. That is folly.

There are some clues in the article, though.

"We all walk past dilapidated houses with over-flowing mailboxes and unkept lawns. Rusted industrial site.s The perennial vacant shop plastered with rock posters."

These presumably fall into the author's "empty home" category. A predatory capitalist would snap it up at bargain basement cost (because of its condition), improve it, and then rent it out or sell it. Thus providing the housing the author craves. The fact that this is not happening indicates other forces at work. Deceased estates, perhaps, that are in the flinty grip of probate lawyers, or lost in the files of a junior clerk in a Bank's repossession department. Or simply properties that were bought decades ago, and whose owner cannot afford to either improve or sell.

Given such one-dimensional statistics, it is impossible to make a judgment. Unless of course you have a particular axe to grind.

Property is subject supply-and-demand fluctuations, just as it should be. At the moment there is more money in the pockets of the people, and they choose to invest in housing. As the economy flattens, so will the property market. That's just the way it has been, and always will be.

Menawhile, if governments can bring themselves to release more land for development, prices will stabilize. They can't do this easily, though, because the cry immediately goes up "you're favouring the developers".

Damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Posted by Pericles, Saturday, 23 November 2013 4:42:36 PM
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Is there not a law that property acquired prior to 1987 shall not be subject to any capital gains tax at all? If this is so, there is a huge disincentive to sell any such property, as one would suddenly forgo the luxury of having this tax-free income. Even if dilapidated and empty, one can still borrow from the bank on it's ever increasing value.

By the way, there certainly is nothing morally wrong with investing in the property market; where should one invest, especially after being burnt on the stock market? What is morally wrong, and leads to vacant housing priced out of reach of most first home buyers - is the preferential tax treatment given to income derived from property.

Income derived from dealing in real estate should be taxed at the same rate as income derived from dealing in vegetables. The tax system divides us into two camps, where the poor non-home owners help to subsidize the richer property owners.
Posted by Beaucoupbob, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 11:36:15 PM
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your missing the main/point
the chinese..love to keep..the investment..in/mint un-used/condition
ya still get the tax grants/gifts/grifts..but the artificial shortage
cant be cured by building more mint stuff.

there should be a cost..to..having an empty house
investors should..by paying extra..cause their short-full
will cause our bubble..

it will..inflate ever further from
any real..housing DEMAND*[ie houses..to..live..IN*]
not just invest..in..for investment grade...bubbles
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 28 November 2013 7:43:21 AM
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-we-cant-trust-momentum-in-the-housing-market-anymore-
it-is-driven-more-by-psychology-than-any-careful-calculations-than-affordability-as-soon-as-its-weakening-they-ll-exit

http://investmentwatchblog.com/shiller-we-cant-trust-momentum-in-the-housing-market-anymore-it-is-driven-more-by-psychology-than-any-careful-calculations-than-affordability-as-soon-as-its-weakening-theyll-exit/

Banning the feeding of homeless people in public spaces puts the problem out of sight and out of mind, for monied people who don't want to think about it; but such a law does absolutely nothing to resolve the problem of homelessness and hunger in our communities.

Facing an uproar from homeowners, two members of the Los Angeles City Council have called for the city to follow the lead of dozens of other communities and ban the feeding of homeless people in public spaces.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/26/us/as-homeless-line-up-for-food-los-angeles-weighs-restrictions.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all&

They began showing up at dusk last week, wandering the streets, slumped in wheelchairs and sitting on sidewalks, paper plates perched on their knees.

By 6:30 p.m., more than 100 homeless people had lined up at a barren corner in Hollywood, drawn by free meals handed out from the back of a truck every night by volunteers.

The world's 100 richest people earned
a stunning total of $240 billion in 2012 –
http://rt.com/news/oxfam-report-global-inequality-357/
enough money to end extreme poverty worldwide four times over,
Oxfam has revealed, adding that the global economic crisis is further enriching the super-rich.
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http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmhansrd/cm131023/debtext/131023-0001.htm#13102356000002

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/tsa-spent-900-million-behavior-detection-officers-who-detected-0

http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/nsa-contractors-are-literally-paying-off-the-senators-in-charge-of-keeping-them-in-check/
“The richest 1 percent has increased its income
by 60 percent in the last 20 years

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2514144/The-painkillers-contain-salt-Soluble-versions-paracetamol-aspirin-ibuprofen-patients-22-risk-strokes.html

http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/cost-of-uk-home-ownership-pushing-people-over-the-edge/

http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2009/12/12/chomskys-latest-gasser-israel-is-us-military-base/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR7mngELoWI#t=261
Posted by one under god, Saturday, 30 November 2013 6:21:01 AM
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