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So who's the problem? : Comments

By Colin Tatz, published 15/11/2013

The record shows a long list of failed 'ations': pacification, segregation, protection-segregation, assimilation, integration...

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So "universality" is the problem?
You need differing policies, laws and programs for every variation on a theme?

Well, what of the rest of the population?
They're not exactly homogenous either.
Do we forgo universality for the rest too?
Special policies, laws and programs for every possible ethnic/social permutation?

What a nightmare!
We need less, not more, bureaucracy.
Posted by Shockadelic, Saturday, 16 November 2013 9:21:24 PM
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This article, typically written in the style of high moral outrage so indicative of the trendy left, asks the question as to whether aboriginal dysfunction is a product of genetics or white racism? My answer to that is that it is genetics, primarily that of inherited low intelligence, and a genetic predisposition to violent behaviour and impulsive behaviour, coupled with a culture of violence and misogyny.

But I can see that this author does not agree with that. He prefers the other racist argument that aboriginal dysfunction is all the white man's fault. To prove his point, this COlin completely misrepresents past policies by previous governments (even leftist ones) which were sincerely meant to help aborigines, as some sort of sinister plot to keep them down.

But it is good to know that Colin Tatz has finally discovered what the real problem is and that he can suggest a solution. The problem is....... wait for it.....racism! Well, whodathunk it? Colin's "solution" is for "mandatory" classes in how wonderful aboriginal culture is, in all areas of education including (wait for it) architecture, nursing, medicine and law. Even bloody dentists have to be educated (re educated?) to understand his fringe group concepts, then everybody will respect aborigines and "voila."

This bloke is off with the fairies.

Colin has another bright idea. Government departments have to stop regarding aboriginals as a group, and deal with them by their tribe, clan and community identities. Colin sneers that "no government department is prepared to go the hard yards and do this." Although how this is going to prevent aboriginals from drinking themselves to death, eating crap, fuckiing their kids, and beating their "partners" to death he does not enlighten us with.

Finally Colin sneers at the paternalism of white people who have instituted the "intervention" and condemns this out of hand.

Look Colin, people like yourself demanded "self determination" for aboriginal people on their own land and the right to drink alcohol, you got it. The result was total anarchy. What's the matter? Are you too proud to admit that you got it all wrong?
Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 17 November 2013 7:19:15 AM
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Phantom aid and misappropriation applies to Australian indigenous people just like for Pacific Islands 'aid' - 'recipients'.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/phantom-aid-never-leaves-our-shores/2007/05/27/1180205079584.html

The majority of aid money vanishes.
Just go look at the destinations where the aid is supposed to go.
Virtually nothing there can be seen except poverty and hardship, of course alcohol can be seen but not always.
Any new buildings are the product of non-aboriginal business people.

Failure of promised and due aid is apparently not investigated, no results.

An indigenous leader or two have been asking where all that aid money has actually gone.
No answer yet.

So, indigenous people are not receiving enough if any aid.

Pensions and unemployment benefits can not be considered as indigenous aid because non-indigenous also receive those payments.

No wonder the problems are continuing.
Posted by JF Aus, Sunday, 17 November 2013 7:54:17 AM
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JF Aus - maybe all that should be provided is as for every other citizen? Then aid money couldn't go 'missing' nor be squandered on useless projects?

Maybe employers could be enticed with financial inducements to employ and train indigenous people where employment opportunities exist? That could be "aid" well spent - provided indigenous employees were capable and proved reliable. Discriminatory, but at least a chance of positive result.

Maybe in dysfunctional communities where houses and other infrastructure are regularly vandalised and destroyed and inhabitants resist behavioural change - provide shelter in form of large open sheds on concrete slabs? Cooking pits one end, composting toilets outside and let the people live their kulcha a little more comfortably than days gone by. Use "aid" to ensure everyone has enough food, potable water, a swag, basic clothing and ability to summon medical assistance. Problem solved! Minimal money wasted and they get to live that 'traditional lifestyle' you hear some idiots blathering about ...

Maybe where children are neglected and abused in ways Social Engineers would not wish made public - at least not in the sense of identifying statistics - because that would be RACIST - they could be removed and reared in a safe environment? Maybe with the chance of surviving relatively intact, an education and worthy role models they might become useful people instead of dead, deadbeats or jailbirds? That goes for all Australian kids - but there is greater reluctance to remove indigenous kids from horrific situations because of their aboriginality. Seems they need the "kulcha" more?

As for indigenous 'leaders' asking where aid money has gone - some seems to have found it's way into their back pockets (and their kids, uncles, cousins etc) in the past and I doubt that's changed. No aid money - no graft and corruption. Problem solved.

LEGO - I don't believe indigenous people are manifestly less intelligent per se. I do believe abuse of alcohol and other substances has resulted in an overall drop in intellect in some communities through foetal damage, brain injuries, lack of nurturing and education.
Posted by divine_msn, Monday, 18 November 2013 12:09:11 AM
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Dear Ms Divine.

I won't bore you with the details of my own childhood which was spent in poverty so bad you would not even comprehend it. But I lived on the wrong side of the tracks for so long that I know for a fact hat the biggest factor in poverty is low intelligence. People who are smart and who through circumstances find themselves on the bottom of society get their act together and are upwardly mobile. People who are dumb do not. I had teenage mates when Whitlam was in power and the dole was easy to get, who tossed in their apprenticeships to go surfing every day on the dole. Smart huh? They thought I was dumb because I went to work.

Put it this way. I lived through a time when Asian people were almost as poor as the Africans today. The Asians, through hard work and brains, and usually without any aid from rich countries, got their act together and they are now competing very successfully with white European countries. The Africans, despite billions in aid every year, never got anywhere. The Arabs, despite living in resource rich countries got nowhere either and are a threat to world peace.

If a white township existed which was full of people on intergenerational welfare, the adults were drunk out of their minds every dole cheque day, the males from that town were mostly in jail, the police routinely turned up to stop men bashing their wives only to be met by both partners throwing bottles at them, if the kids would not go to school and spend their time sniffing petrol, and if paedophilia was rampant throughout that community to the extent that six year olds were being screned for STD's, I am sure that you would have no trouble dismissing the inhabitants of that town as brainless idiots.

But with aboriginals, (and black people generally) a different standard applies. They must be regarded as equals, victims of white oppression who only behave that way because we white people who support them financially are the real problem.
Posted by LEGO, Monday, 18 November 2013 3:41:01 AM
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It appears to me that when it comes to australian indigenous the term Aid takes on a different meaning. Aid is supposed to cover a need that arose from many different situations, not desiring to put in any effort is not one of them.
I find it an insult to those indigenous who truly experienced unjust hardship & suffering by the whining of those who have already been mollycoddled to no end.
Posted by individual, Monday, 18 November 2013 6:27:01 AM
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