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Rough waters and rocky boats, but we'll get there : Comments

By Richard Laidlaw, published 12/11/2013

There was little reason for optimism that the Indonesians would suddenly grasp the point of ethics or convert en masse to international political morality.

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If it weren’t for the Labor/Green government and its open border policies, the subject of illegal boats would not be up for discussion now. The fact that the boats are still coming is clearly the fault of the Rudd/Gillard government.

However, Tony Abbott seems to be the only person in Australia who believed that he would ‘stop the boats’ in short order. He has bitten off more than he can chew, for the moment.

For starters, how can Australia be taken seriously about stopping boats when it enters Indonesian waters to ‘save’ a load of illegals? Talk about bringing trouble on ourselves!

Australian politicians, not Indonesian ones, are the problem. Labor, Liberal, it makes no difference. They have both been frightened by the extreme Left, and no longer have the guts to do what must be done.

Illegal arrivals are Australia’s problem, and it’s a problem that can only be solved by Australians. Forget about Indonesia; they just take our money and laugh at us. Stop the money, and start the action.

Force (nothing else has worked since Howard) is the only thing that will stop people trying to get here by boat. It’s time Australian politicians realised that it is their job to protect Australia, no matter what.
Posted by NeverTrustPoliticians, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 7:25:27 PM
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LEGO,
You are quite correct in all your valid points.

Scribe,
You miss the point. Muslim anti Australian sentiment is not a criminal offense in Indonesia, in fact it is encouraged.
Here in Australia anti Indonesian sentiment is discouraged to the point of criminalization.
I hop you don't live to see the day when the good brothers are hacking your family to bits just because they are "Infidels"

I remember when a small group of Australian military personnel were sent up to Indonesia to assassinate Sukarno and all the guns of the Indonesian Army were symbolically pointed at Australia.
Sukarno handed government over to Suharto and we came home.
They are coming mate and their fifth column is growing day by day.
Posted by chrisgaff1000, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 7:38:47 PM
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Scribe talking to fools will only draw you into their pit of hate and lies.
Posted by Cobber the hound, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 11:09:09 PM
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>>Why is it that "refugees" only seem to flee man made economic or political conditions, not natural disasters?<<

Because political and economic conditions only affect politics and economics. Natural disasters are indiscriminate: they smeg everything up. Including boats. Especially boats, in the case of typhoons. I've seen the damage wrought: it'd be a pretty sturdy boat that could weather such a storm. How many boats do you think the Philippines have left? Of those, how many would you still consider sufficiently seaworthy to travel to Australia?

Political and economic conditions don't immediately render vessels unseaworthy: the Dunkirk evacuation would have been impossible if that were the case.

Sometimes political and economic conditions are such that escape by boat is the soundest option available. If the English Channel had been hit by a freak typhoon at the wrong time who knows what the loss of life to the Allied Forces would have been.

No boats = no fleeing. Unless you're a very good swimmer.

Cheers,

Tony
Posted by Tony Lavis, Tuesday, 12 November 2013 11:56:51 PM
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Why is it that "refugees" only seem to flee man made economic or political conditions, not natural disasters?
Jay Of Melbourne,
Because it's got nothing to do with that, that's why. It's the muslimisation of the last frontier & that's all there's to it ! It is beyond me how how many still can't grasp what's going on.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 7:37:09 AM
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REfugees are not people fleeing tsunamis, they are displaced people or dead. Refugees are people who have a well founded fear of persecution and seek refuge in other nations like ours.

I do get sick to death of this incessant babble about Indonesia being the answer though.

1. it is not now and nor has it ever been criminal smuggling to assist refugees, most refugees have to pay bribes to get across borders, only Australia has made it a crime and then punishes the refugees.
2. Indonesia is in the middle of yet another genocide that has been ongoing for decades, why should we pander to them.
3. if refugees are rescued at sea and are on our ships they are on our "soil".
4. the law is extremely simply no matter how much the Australian polity, media and academics pretend otherwise - everyone has the right to seek and enjoy asylum from persecution.

Enough already, we need to stop this game of boats with Indonesia, people get killed.
Posted by Marilyn Shepherd, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 4:22:59 PM
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