Sparkyq
thanks for the links.. actually I was asking those questions more about whether the green energy projects would save carbon after they'd been installed, rather than the amount of carbon generated in trying to make PVs and turbines.. no work on this in Aus as far as I know. Some overseas but quickly howled down by the green movement as the studies didn't give the right result.. but tnks..

People are not talking about climate change, nor gay marriage, nor boat people, nor nbn, nor, surpluses, nor debt, nor leadership dramas, nor politicians lies nor incompetence
In fact they have realised the only people who ever talked about that cr_p were lefties.

Now there are so few of them and very few listen to them anyway.

Most of us love Tony because none of that cr_p is being forced done our throats any longer. Politics is and politicians are now in the backgound

imajulianutter,
The only people making noise (shrieking) about that stuff were Abbott and his media lickspittles who had only one agenda - a change of government.

Now they see their job is done things seem to have quietened down - for the time being.

Despite the lies, policy hypocrisy, broken promises and public expense rorts they have had a clear run up to the opening of Parliament next week. Imagine the noise if it was the ALP.

No wonder Abbott has gagged his MPs from speaking without permission.

Where are the weekly and fortnightly polls that the media feasted on for the last 3 years?

The first published poll showed a drift away from Abbott but nothing has been mentioned since.

Oh poor little wobbles. Not happy are you? "Despite the lies, policy hypocrisy, broken promises and public expense rorts" Obviously you are pining for your beloved KRudd and Juliar.

Sparkyq, I suspect you, like the author of this piece is making things up. Even the leftist Reserve bank of Australia states that:

“The increases in regulated retail electricity prices over the next few years are primarily driven by higher network costs.”

And

“The sharp increase in network charges in recent regulatory determinations reflects:
• higher capital expenditure in the period ahead due to network expansion, higher regulatory standards for reliability of supply, the need to replace ageing assets and higher input costs
(Graphs 3-6); and
• a jump in the revenue requirement between regulatory control periods due to higher borrowing costs (and a higher WACC) and the partial pass-through of excess costs or revenues in previous regulatory periods to customers”

http://www.rba.gov.au/foi/disclosure-log/pdf/101115.pdf

Must be hard finding reliable information with all these leftist government organisations around.

I started reading this article for a paragraph or two, thinking it might be a reasoned response to the Abbott erratic energy policy, before the alarm bells went off. I then checked the author and realized that he has zero, zip, 0 credibility.

Ray Evans is one of the principals of The Lavoisier Group; a global warming skeptic organization, based in Australia. Ray Evans describes the 90-odd Lavoisier members as a "dad's army" of mostly retired engineers and scientists from the mining, manufacturing and construction industries.

Noted by Australian economist John Quiggin, the Lavoisier Group is "devoted to the proposition that basic principles of physics...cease to apply when they come into conflict with the interests of the Australian coal industry."

The Lavoisier Group variously publishes totally erroneous and conflicting opinions such as;
- There is no evidence of global warming.
- If there is evidence of global warming, then it is not due to human activity.
- If global warming is occurring and it is due to human activity, then it is not going to be damaging.
- If global warming is occurring and it is due to human activity, and it is going to be damaging, then the costs of avoiding it are too high, so we should do nothing.

Totally confused, irrational, biased and untruthful...pitched at the acolytes on OLO and symptomatic of the general deterioration of this site's contribution to a serious subject