If the best you can do, otb, is attribute to me an argument I did not make than you are failing badly. Adding to that failure is your inability to tell the difference between a personal stance on an institution and standing up against discrimination.

You also brought in a completely separate topic; bestiality. The fact you resort to creating wholly different arguments does not reflect well upon you.

As the Buggery Act was still in force in 1901 it would take a very creative lawyer to argue that the word "marriage" in the Constitution includes homosexual marriage. Even if that could be done, the Federal Government can override all territory laws, so what has been gained? The only winners out of all of this will, as usual, be the lawyers. Personally, I am sick of the whole subject, but realise that at the moment the left has very little else to campaign about.

We can all relax, however. The logically insane verdicts that are repeatedly handed down from the High Court mean that anything can happen. The one I like best is that our Constitution is in force on the ships of a foreign country. Such is politics.

Plerdsus, the Federal Government cannot override legislation passed by the Territories. It used to be they could but the law changed and now the whole of parliament has to agree to such an action. Hence the High Court challenge by the coalition.

minotaur, "I couldn't care less about the institution of marriage .....just get rid of the archaic and unnecessary institution anyway"

It is unremarkable that you maintain you have no stake in gay marriage but you are in there advocating for it anyhow.

It is similarly not unusual, rather it is par for the course, that as an advocate for 'gay' marriage you are also irrevocably opposed to the institution of marriage and would undermine and wreck marriage if you could.

In another thread, there seem to be many on the subject, a poster mentioned the Gay Manifesto proclaimed by the homosexual activist Michael Swift in 1987 and originally published in Gay Community News, February 15-21, 1987. Gross stuff and still representative of the leading edge of gay activism it would appear.

http://www.blogwrath.com/gay-issues/the-gay-manifesto-a-chilling-prophecy-come-true/4590/

Homosexuals are around 2% of the population. In that case the number of extremist serial nuisances who are gay activists and are gay themselves must be very, very few indeed. Unless of course it is all media-led populism engineered by left 'progressives' who are hijacking homosexuals and manipulating policy affecting them for their own secondary gain.

Certainly the radical 'gay' activists in the media who say they are gay themselves are very few in number, with the bulk who push for gay marriage being the usual suspects who want to tear down their much hated 'patriarchal' marriage and 'traditional' society anyhow.

One constantly wonders what mainstream homosexuals who have always sought a quiet life of freedom away from State control think of the radical gay activists, the political 'Progressives' and other sundry statists with a secondary agenda to serve, who have forced State regulation and control of their relationships upon them against their will and want to go further.

Honestly now, how many homosexuals ever demanded that bureaucrats should be telling them when they are in a 'de facto relationship' or not, and that the family law court should make their decisions on separation for them? The lawyers are laughing and doing very well out of it, thank you very much.

Well, so much paranoia...and again you deliberately misrepresent my stance OTB. The link you provided was a pathetic attempt by someone to link homosexuality to pedophilia. If that is the level of your argument then it is only worthy of disdain.

minotaur,

Why do you propose marriage for gays when as you say yourself, you see nothing worthwhile in the institution of marriage and would trash it if you could?

You have a secondary agenda. You are another of the serial radical activists who have been hitching a ride on gay marriage while all the time white-anting marriage and trying to get rid of it.