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Killing civilians to protect civilians in Syria : Comments

By Marjorie Cohn and Jeanne Mirrer, published 30/8/2013

The drums of war are beating again. The Obama administration will reportedly launch a military strike to punish Syria's Assad government for its alleged use of chemical weapons.

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Hi Rhys Jones.

I say that all Muslims hate the west, and you obviously take the opposing view. You have asked me to verify my opinion with statistics and evidence but you have not submitted any evidence to support your own opinion. In debating terms, such a position is known as "unless you can prove me wrong, then it proves I am right." If we differ on this point, RJ, then the onus is upon you to also provide evidence that your opinion is the correct one, or your premise is not supported.

Now, the reason why I know that all Muslims hate the west is because they are Muslims who follow the teachings of Mohammad, who not only preached open hostility and murder towards non Muslims, but he also stressed that non Muslims were not to be trusted and that Muslims should kill, torture, maim, terrorise and "lay ambushes" for them. Since I am sure that you are an anti racist, why you are defending this racist religion is beyond me?

In the case of Iran, you have a country ruled by a gang of religious nutcases who have reversed the modernising efforts of the Shah who was a friend of the western world. They have turned Iran into an international pariah who seems hell bent on building atomic weapons and handing them over to terrorist groups. And you don't think that is a problem?

And one of the reasons why the Muslims hate us is because we support Israel's right to exist. This is anathema to Islam. You see they built a dirty great mosque on top of the Jews most holy place which is their way of saying "this is now Muslim land forever." The Muslims are exactly like the Nazis. Not only do they hate the Jews, but like Hitler, they think that where Islam has conquered a country it can never take a step backwards. To relinquish 'Muslim" is to offend Allah.

And if you can't understand that, then could you please pick up a history book an enlighten yourself?
Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 1 September 2013 7:41:14 PM
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One of the recurring points of interest in the many threads on OLO is that the right-wing trolls all seem to use pseudonyms. Were I to pen such arrant shite, I would hesitate to put my name to it as well.
Neutron bombs over the Middle East?
All Muslims hate the West?
Seriously, boys. Isn't it time to get a life?
Posted by halduell, Sunday, 1 September 2013 8:13:27 PM
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Just build a big fence around the place, arm everybody and let them fight until there's a winner ...

Honestly - this is how I see most of the Islamic conflicts:
There is civil war between differing political or religious ideology even though the vast majority of the population is Muslim. The reason the vast majority is muslim is because in an Islamic country, generally other religions are suppressed at best and openly persecuted at worst. So generally it's Muslims killing, maiming, torturing etc other Muslims. I don't have much of a problem with this anymore because as soon as the UN decides one faction or another is largely at fault and starts interfering the following scenarios start to unfold with nauseating certainty:
Mad crowds protesting and rioting, burning flags and effigies, attacking embassies, foreign peacekeepers, aid workers, journalists and so on ... Because someone killed a few muslims claimed to be 'civilian' ...

No, it matters not that the victims were people in the firing line of one or more of the warring factions. It's OK if WE do it but if YOU do it - then it's infidels killing "innocent muslims" and it must be avenged ... Then again sometimes it can be no more than a rumour or supposed "slur" that sets them off ...

Therefore it's not worth the trouble .... so long as no-one gets across the border ... unless that border is into another muslim country where they can stage another conflict and start killing one another there. Just stay the hell away from our borders! Care factor sunk to zero with me.
Posted by divine_msn, Sunday, 1 September 2013 11:42:06 PM
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Some more information that puts the Syrian regime responsibility into doubt:

Syrians in Ghouta say Saudi supplied rebels were behind the chemical attack. Dale Gavlak who has been covering the Middle East for several years for several agencies including Associated Press, interviewed several people including rebels and their relatives in Ghouta and quote several of them that the weapons may have been supplied by the Saudi intelligence.

The report quotes a rebel leader,‘J’“Jabhat al-Nusra militants do not cooperate with other rebels, except with fighting on the ground. They do not share secret information."

“We were very curious about these arms. And unfortunately, some of the fighters handled the weapons improperly and set off the explosions,” ‘J’ said.

The report further says,

Many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the dealing gas attack.

“My son came to me two weeks ago asking what I thought the weapons were that he had been asked to carry,” said Abu Abdel-Moneim, the father of a rebel fighting to unseat Assad, who lives in Ghouta.

Abdel-Moneim said his son and 12 other rebels were killed inside of a tunnel used to store weapons provided by a Saudi militant, known as Abu Ayesha, who was leading a fighting battalion. The father described the weapons as having a “tube-like structure” while others were like a “huge gas bottle.”

Abdel-Moneim said his son and the others died during the chemical weapons attack. That same day, the militant group Jabhat al-Nusra, which is linked to al-Qaida, announced that it would similarly attack civilians in the Assad regime’s heartland of Latakia on Syria’s western coast, in purported retaliation.

“When Saudi Prince Bandar gives such weapons to people, he must give them to those who know how to handle and use them,” she warned. She, like other Syrians, do not want to use their full names for fear of retribution.

Quoting Doctors Without Borders the report puts the death toll as at least 355 people.

Geoff
Posted by Geoff of Perth, Monday, 2 September 2013 11:08:12 AM
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GoP,

Large quantities of Sarin were delivered to an area that previously was being shelled by the Assad forces.

Sarin is a binary gas, i.e. Sarin itself degrades in hours, and needs to be stored as two inert components that are mixed at the point of firing, in special rockets designed to disperse the gas. Anyone that has even a basic understanding would realize that 90% of a binary nerve gas weapons system is the delivery mechanism.

The concept that the rebels have obtained many units of weaponized binary agent that they released simultaneously among their supporters is far fetched in the extreme, especially since building these devices is difficult and expensive, and far out of the reach of the rebels. There is only anecdotal evidence that the rebels have ever possessed any chemical weapon Whereas Assad is known to have a large stock pile of Sarin based weapons.

This is a preposterous as claiming the Americans flew their own planes into buildings on 9/11.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 2 September 2013 3:34:49 PM
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I assume it will only be a matter of time before sarin gas is released into a western city. The gas stockpiles or part of the stockpile will fall into the hands of some of the array of unstables who are in Syria. I cannot differentiate between the so called patriots and the crazed zealots as they seem equally capable destroying everything.
Islam seems terminally flawed and incapable of offering anything to a modern world apart from mayhem and misery.
Posted by SILLER, Monday, 2 September 2013 9:41:22 PM
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