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Key mistakes sway jury in Zimmerman trial : Comments

By Marjorie Cohn, published 19/7/2013

But the judge sanitized the case and everyone involved was forced to ignore the elephant in the room.

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I agree with David G. The Zimmerman case is just a symptom. The real criminals run our finance system, wars and corporations.They flout the law with impunity and reward themselves for atrocities against our common humanity.

It is poverty and ignorance which is the major cause of crime and our elites are intent on making poverty far worse on this planet.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 20 July 2013 1:46:39 PM
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Jay

Thank you for the in-depth expose of Zimmerman's racial heritage. However, as with virtually all black Americans, it's also highly unlikely that Travyon's racial heritage is devoid of any white lineage.

The racial undertones of this trial are to do with US culture's association of black people with crime. So it's to do with a combination of sociological factors that centre on race, not racism per se.

Sean

‘Killarney, Zimmerman did not invoke the "Stand your ground" law in his defence. He claimed simple self defence.’

He was offered Stand Your Ground but waived it, because the defence team wanted to rely on evidence that there was a physical fight occurring when Travyon died. However, Stand Your Ground was still used repeatedly throughout the trial to portray him as a responsible neighbourhood watcher, rather than the seriously paranoid nutjob he was.

Compared to Marissa Alexander, he was offered every assistance to defend his case, whereas Alexander was denied the Stand Your Ground defence, the one means she had of avoiding an almost unwinnable Aggravated Assault trial (and mandatory 20 year jail term).

Unlike Zimmerman, Alexander’s plea was judged almost entirely on whether or not she could have fled the scene. Under Florida law, good girls run to big strong neighbours for protection from violent husbands; bad girls threaten violent husbands off the premises … and get 20 years for their efforts.

David G
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‘Why is Australia a worshiper of such a country?’

Because we’ve seen what happens to countries that DON’T worship the US.
Posted by Killarney, Saturday, 20 July 2013 9:00:51 PM
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Killarney, so you believe Al Sharpton even though he's been caught lying so many times that no rational person could give credence to anything he says?
It's perfectly reasonable for Americans to associate young Black males with violent crime, it's a rational assumption, again, thanks to the internet we live in an age of truth, you can ignore the truth about race and crime in the U.S.A but that doesn't make it less true.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 20 July 2013 9:40:34 PM
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To Killarney

The only things wrong with your theory that black crime in the USA is a product of white US attitudes, is that such a premise is itself racist, and that it also it ignores the facts.

Black people in every European country are very disproportionately represented in violent criminal behaviour. To conform to your premise, you would have to claim that every white society on earth is equally as racist as the USA, even the super tolerant Swedes and Dutch. You won't get much mileage if you make that claim. Most people would know that you are wrong.

Even black run countries in Africa and the Caribbean are noted for their very high incidence of violent black behaviour. Black run societies everywhere and even black communities within peaceful white communities, are good places to keep out of.

The fact is, that regardless of where you go in the world, wherever young black males congregate, you have got a violent crime problem. You can perform mental gymnastics trying to blame the whites everywhere for poor black behaviour, or you can use your head and figure out that the problem with black criminal behaviour is a product of their own violence advocating culture which is grounded in their own genetic programming.
Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 21 July 2013 6:20:02 AM
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My heart breaks when I hear of this travesty of justice. I am ashamed to be white. They say look at the laws of the land and you see the people .. shame America, shame.
Posted by mally, Monday, 22 July 2013 11:09:31 AM
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Mally.
what does this have to do with White people? Neither Trayvon Martin nor George Zimmerman are White.
Mally there was an interesting piece about "Stand your ground" on NPR's "All things considered" just now,
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=204013757

LYDEN: And after the Trayvon Martin shooting in 2012, her newspaper published an investigation of every case in the state where Stand Your Ground had been invoked. They looked at about 200 cases.

HUNDLEY: We found that nearly 70 percent of the people who used the Stand Your Ground defense had gone free. Thirty-five percent were not even charged by prosecutors; 23 percent were given immunity by the judge. And this is a special feature of the Stand Your Ground law, that you can go before the judge and argue Stand Your Ground pretrial and then be given immunity, which basically dismisses the case.

LYDEN: As you took a look at this, how did race play in, or did it?

HUNDLEY: The race question was murky. If you looked at the victims, cases of fatalities, we found the defendants who were claiming Stand Your Ground were more likely to prevail if the victim was black. Seventy-three percent of those who killed a black person faced no penalty, and that compared to 59 percent of those who killed a white person.

When you look at the race of the victim, it's one thing. Interestingly, if you look at the defendants, we found that white defendants who invoked the law were charged at the same rate as blacks. Whites who went to trial were convicted at the same rate as blacks. But remember, most of the cases we found were same race. It was white on white and black on black. We found only less than a dozen mixed race cases.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 22 July 2013 1:02:59 PM
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