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Bradley Manning's legal duty to expose war crimes : Comments

By Marjorie Cohn, published 6/6/2013

Manning complied with his legal duty to obey lawful orders but also his legal duty to disobey unlawful orders.

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WHAT HAVE THE AMERICANS EVER DONE FOR US!

Marjorie Cohn: They've bled us white, the bastards. They've taken everything we had, and not just from us, from our fathers, and from our fathers' fathers.

Haldual: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers.

Marilyn Sheppard: Yeah.

Jeremy: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers' fathers.

Marilyn Sheppard: Yeah. All right, Jeremy. Don't labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?!

Dreamon: The aqueduct?

Marily Sheppard: What?

Dreamon: The aqueduct.

Marilyn Sheppard: Oh. Yeah, yeah. They did give us that. Uh, that's true. Yeah.

Emperor Julianne: And the sanitation.

Dreamon: Oh, yeah, the sanitation, Marilyn. Remember what the city used to be like? God! This place used to stink before the Yanks came here.

Marilyn Sheppard: Yeah. All right. I'll grant you the aqueduct and the sanitation are two things that the Yanks have done.

Arjay: And the roads.

Marily Sheppard: Well, yeah. Obviously the roads. I mean, the roads go without saying, don't they? But apart from the sanitation, the aqueduct, and the roads--

Jay of Melbourne: Irrigation.

Mitch@T4R: Medicine.

Marilyn Sheppard: Huh? Heh? Huh...?

Killarney: Education.

Marilyn Sheppard: Yeah, yeah. All right. Fair enough.

Praxidice: And the wine.

Suseonline: Oh, yes. The wine. Yeah...

Jay of Melbourne: Yeah. Yeah, that's something we'd really miss, Marilyn, if the Yanks left. Huh?

DavidG: Public baths.

Suseonline: And it's safe to walk in the streets at night now, Marilyn.

Yuyutsu: Yeah, they certainly know how to keep order. Let's face it. They're the only ones who could in a place like this.

Marilyn Sheppard: All right, but apart from the sanitation, the aqueduct, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, public safety, public baths, and public health, WHAT HAVE THE YANKS EVER DONE FOR US!?

Praxidice: Peace?

Marilyn Sheppard: Oh. Peace? Shut up!
Posted by LEGO, Thursday, 6 June 2013 7:31:51 PM
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LEGO misses the point. "What have the Americans ever done for us?" Straight out of the Life of Brian with Roman bent.

The West over the last 300 yrs has been enslaved by a debt money creation system. The USA was the last to fall in 1913 when President Woodrow Wilson signed away the right to create from nothing, the money to equal the people's productivity. The US Federal Reserve is a private cartel of banks who supply all the money for the US Govt to function. He who pays the piper calls the tune.

The people of the West have created and survived even under this oppressive system with the lie of democracy but now the debt created out of nothing of $40 trillion is more than half the GDP of the planet. It can never be repaid and a few elites now own both us and our Govts.

So LEGO, our Roman Western Elites are not the source of our success but just mere parasites who are taking us all to destruction.

Rome was very successful with cheap bronze money that was carefully controlled by a responsible Govt. Caesar produced a gold coin with his face on it and destroyed Rome because a few elites now had most of the gold and the medium of exchange could not function to facilitate real production.

Today the medium of exchange is owned by private central banks and they are using it for their own purpose while production again falters.

Shall it elucidate further?
Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 6 June 2013 8:49:51 PM
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@anti-green
I can assure you I do not believe Islamic terrorists fight in the spirit of human rights. Clearly they don't. The question is, do we? And if we don't, how are we then any better?
Bradley Manning held a very unflattering mirror up to our eyes, and he will pay dearly for that. But he did no wrong. Quite the contrary.
Posted by halduell, Thursday, 6 June 2013 10:59:01 PM
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If some fool is going to have a pretend debate with me at least spell my name correctly.

Bradley Manning is not a criminal. He exposed criminals and we are constantly being told that dobbing in murderers is a good thing aren't we?

The cowards who slaughtered 24 people at Haditha in revenge for the death of one soldier earlier in the day got a slap on the wrist.
Posted by Marilyn Shepherd, Friday, 7 June 2013 5:11:06 PM
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Marjorie Cohn's implication, that Bradley Manning is some sort of Internationalist saint who martyred himself by releasing 250,000 classified documents, is a premise more worthy of hilarity than serious consideration.

That a few of those documents contained references and images pertaining to alleged war crimes does not mitigate against the scale of his treachery. If Bradley Manning had any evidence of alleged war crimes, he had a duty to reveal his evidence to his superior officers. Both he and Marjorie Cohn are fully aware that he had no authorisation to post them all over the internet.

The Americans have declared that Bradley Manning's actions have resulted in the deaths of people working for the Americans, and the wrecking of several intelligence operations.

Bradley Manning came from a broken home involving two people who were citizens of different countries. He was unable to form a sense of allegiance to either country, and his attitude was probably reinforced by the left wing academic teachers, who never tire of putting the boot into their own societies. He was bullied as a kid in both countries, probably because of his small stature and effeminacy. That he seethed with resentment, is evident from his episodic bouts of uncontrollable violent behaviour, and the fact that he was unable to keep a steady job.

After joining the US Army, he found the perfect way to get back at the society he resented. That this is all about self esteem, is plainly revealed through the fact that after he committed his crime, he felt the need to brag about it on a hacking site. Fortunately, one hacker who had been brought up right, went to the FBI and dobbed him in.

I feel sorry for Bradley Manning because of his circumstances. But I do not forgive him for what he did. Neither do I forgive the Marjorie Cohn's and the Marilyn Sheppard's of this world, who's constant unwarranted attacks upon the civilisation they choose to live under, obviously has an effect upon dysfunctional, vulnerable, and easily led people like Bradley Manning
Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 9 June 2013 7:12:24 AM
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Lego, that you would call the chaos we live in a civilization shows how much out of touch with reality you are.

Worship the U.S. if you must but don't waste your time extolling its virtues: it has none!
Posted by David G, Sunday, 9 June 2013 5:28:06 PM
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