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We need to give much more than a 'Gonski'. : Comments

By Kevin Donnelly, published 23/5/2013

Instead of supporting non-government schools critics like the Australian Education Union and those responsible for the Gonski report argue that such schools should be discriminated against.

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imajulianutter,

"If you are serious why don't you argue my point instead of arrogantly endorsing the current unscrutinised fiasco..." blah, blah, blah.

Forgive me, mate, but how is exercising our autonomy and homeschooling our child, endorsement of anything related to the current education system?

The difference between someone like you and someone like me, is that I actually "do" something tangible to mitigate my dissatisfaction - as opposed to just bellyaching about it.
Posted by Poirot, Sunday, 26 May 2013 1:10:06 PM
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A straw man argument Poirot.

I've never commented on home schooling. That you want or need to fudge my expressed point of view really just reinforces my views of you people.

Poirot please refer to your original comments and the subsequent abuse you directed towards me.

lol you really make me laugh. You lefties are never able to argue when points of view, that demolish your dogooder attitudes, are presented. You dodge and weave and try to cloud the real issues or are too dumb or lack the intellect to understand the underlying issues.

BTW here is some advice, when you homeschool your kids. For them to become functioning and productive members of the society in which they will live, and remember it's nature will be dominated by people with my attitudes, make sure they exel at Maths B, maths C, chemistry, physics, Latin and English. Thoise are the subjects that create the most imaginative, effective citizens who will ensure the dominance of our western society. And in case you are wondering why I think that. Well take a look at the greatest society the world has ever seen and the basis of their teenage education. It focuses, despite the lefties, on those subjects in adolesence.

good luck and I wish you well in raising your kids to achieve what they want. I hope you don't try to impoase your views on them. That is catastrophic. Let them work it out for themselves. It is best.

But since you are a leftie I know why you won't do that.. .

lol yep I'm laughing at you.
Posted by imajulianutter, Sunday, 26 May 2013 6:31:03 PM
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imajulianutter,

You know, I feel a little bemused by your attitude.

Having heard the battle you've had for your health, and also having heard of your so-called educating yourself by reading the Western classics (correct me if I'm wrong on those points).....together with your apparent independence and self-sufficient status, one would assume you'd be fairly content with your lot.

Instead, your present as a scornful man full of resentment, braggadocio and antagonism.

Seems an awful waste of mental energy to go about the world feeling like that - especially with what you've been through.

I didn't abuse you, imajulianutter. I merely reacted to the tenor of your posts. Why don't you chuck away your resentment and stop and smell the roses....

You're a lucky guy
Posted by Poirot, Sunday, 26 May 2013 6:45:48 PM
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Poirot,

'Why should taxpayers who don't have kids at school subsidise the education responsibility of anyone with kids at any school?'

'Tell me why when times are tough, in private enterprise, costs are cut yet in the public sphere when times are tough spending is assumed to need to rise.'

So why can't you just put up an argument?

Is it because you find it easier to attack personally than to exercise real intellect, assuming you actually have some. Or is it that you are merely clever?
Posted by imajulianutter, Monday, 27 May 2013 10:37:45 AM
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imajulianutter,

Regarding your question....

Answer = Because we are a social democracy.

I mean, that's what we are.

People with views like yours take it for granted that the services and infrastructure that create and sustain our stable society just materialise out of thin air.

You tell me that you were happy for you children to enjoy school funding, some of which emanated from people without children or whose children were grown......dismissing the premise because apparently you consider you paid enough tax to negate it

That's your story - it doesn't invalidate the fact that your own children benefitted from other people's tax....or were you out there bellyaching at the time that people without children should be contributing to the education of your own kids?

I think not.

............

I've heard you praise the Sermon on the Mount as demonstrating "truth and beauty".

Jesus was a lefty.

Peace be with you, brother......
Posted by Poirot, Monday, 27 May 2013 10:54:04 AM
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Kevin please read this article by Michael Kirby, Private schools foster prejudice -
http://www.theage.com.au/national/private-schools-foster-prejudice-exjudge-20130525-2n3yw.html

and Education Policy from the Secular Party of Australia and why religious segregation and inequality need to be addressed -

The Secular Party recognises the societal benefits of a well-funded and high-quality education system. This is best provided by teaching based on universal values and principles, and school curricula founded on reason and evidence consistent with academic expertise. Currently, funding is inequitable and fails to properly resource students with complex needs, leading to disadvantage. It also promotes the segregation of students according to their parents' faiths.

To address these issues and in accordance with the overarching principle of evidence-based policy, the Secular Party of Australia would broadly seek to implement the recommendations of the Gonski Review, with some amendments. Firstly, if the financial resources available per student in a private school, including those provided by school fees, exceed the standard resource per student, government funding will be reduced accordingly and used to help bring disadvantaged public schools to the required standard. Secondly, to qualify for government funding a school must teach a secular curriculum, admit students and employ staff regardless of faith, and all religious activity promoted by the school must be voluntary and conducted outside school hours.

The Secular Party also supports an adequately funded tertiary education sector. The future economic health of the country depends upon investment in education.
http://www.secular.org.au/mnu-policy-details#educationFunding
Posted by Secular Greg, Monday, 27 May 2013 11:18:14 AM
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