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Why would you give a Gonski? : Comments

By Tom Lovell, published 12/4/2013

What should be clear is the government gets far better for its money from independent schools than government ones.

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I'll also point out, SM, that children with developmental delays and similar challenges are far more likely to be the targets of bullying behaviour than the instigators.

We all know how accommodating so-called "normal" kids are to those who don't quite fit within the round holes.
Posted by Poirot, Friday, 12 April 2013 11:26:01 PM
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Would someone please explain why a baby born to uneducated, drug addicted, lazy .... etc .... parents does not deserve exactly the same excellent education as one born to hard working educated and self disciplined .... etc.... parents!
Posted by Atlarak, Saturday, 13 April 2013 8:27:46 AM
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a baby born to uneducated, drug addicted, lazy .... etc .... parents does not deserve exactly the same excellent.
Atlarak,
Of course it should but how can you reasonably expect that to happen with such parents. It has been done in the past with children from Britain & mixed race/indigenous children. The only big problem with that was the children had to be removed from unfit parents. Sadly, many children were also taken from fit parents.
Good will is not always the same in others' eyes. If we remove children from their left-wing drugged up moron mums & dads we'll be accused of stealing them all over again.
I put the greater percentage of blame for unfit parents straight at the feet of our bureaucrats. If they did what they were hired for & get paid for & if we had a National Service & a flat tax the incidence of young parents failing their children would be cut by 75% overnight.
teachers are so overpaid now that most their concentration goes into protecting their Super instead of planning for the next class.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 13 April 2013 4:23:28 PM
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GlenC,

I never said that private schools turn away kids that are disruptive, nor do they turn away kids with disabilities. For kids with learning disabilities, they don't cater for the 2 teachers per class, or slower curriculum that those with severe learning disabilities need. Otherwise they don't discriminate against students.

My kids schools have taken kids with behavioural problems, and they quickly learnt that there were immediate and severe consequences. Many reformed to acceptable (but not perfect) behaviour, those that didn't left. Public schools have a code of conduct, but don't enforce it with inevitable results.

Atlarak,

Good question, considering that many independent schools have no better funding than public schools, but on average out perform the public schools, the question then is why not privatise more schools?
Posted by Shadow Minister, Saturday, 13 April 2013 4:36:36 PM
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on average out perform the public schools,
Shadow minister,
That is simply a reflection of the public service system. You still get paid no matter how ineffective you are in your job. From those whose tax dollars too many bureaucrats live off ,
thank you inconsiderate Unions.
Posted by individual, Sunday, 14 April 2013 9:41:29 AM
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There is one reason Atlarak. In my experience all too many of those kids don't want the education when offered, & disrupt everyone else when forced to attend schools.

In one well run public high school in a city fringe/country area, the head instituted a number of automotive work classes, & farming practices classes.

Some of the students involved discovered reading & arithmetic were actually useful, & started learning academically. Others may not have learnt to read any better than previously, but at least had something they enjoyed doing at school, & aquired some life skills.

It is not more money that's required, just imagination, & decent teachers, a couple of things not that common in public schools.
Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 14 April 2013 10:25:31 AM
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