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A would-be PM and right wing think tanks : Comments

By John Turner, published 8/4/2013

Surely a future Prime Minister should be past believing that Adam and Eve were really part of our foundational story.

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Many people, especially those on the right side of the culture wars divide, like to talk about our Judeo-Christian heritage. But does Christianity really have anything to do with the tradition of Judaism, and what if it at root deeply anti-Semitic? Noting that right-wing Christians were always to one degree or another anti-Semitic. "Catholics" used to pray (prey) for the "conversion" of the Jews, and "conservative" Christian eccliastical establishments were oft times instrumental in wipping up hysterical anti-Semitism which resulted in anti-Jewish pogroms.

The "New" Testament is, at its core, and independent tradition. Christianity separated itself from Judaism, and became something else.
Unfortunately, in making that separation, the Jewish converts to Christianity maintained a claim on the holy books of Judaism, and they even claimed to be the new "true Israel" - and, thus, established a principal of cultural superiority that, eventually, gave rise to all the horrors of anti-Semitism that Jewish people have been made to suffer for centuries. As a consequence of Christianities absurd claim to be the rightful "successor" to Judaism itself, "official" power-and-control-seeking Christian-ISM has projected its own history as one of eternal (and, in general, disastrous, dark, and terrible) conflict with the Jews, and indeed with ALL other faith traditions and their multi-various cultural expressions.

Such is, among other efforts made on the basis of the absurd presumption of cultural superiority a negative result of the institutionalization of exoteric power-and-control-seeking exoteric Christian-ISM. Added to the absurd presumption of cultural superiority was (eventually) all of the inherently self-deluding and self=corrupting association with political and social power, when Christianity became established as an "official" State-"religion". with the power of Imperial Rome at its base.

By contrast Jesus was never talking about making an institution that would become the "official religion" of the total human world. Nor was he talking about the "one-true-'God'" that should become the "official" Deity of the total human world - which IS ESSENTIALLY what right-wing "catholics" believe and promote (their websites a full of such obnoxious claims and intentions)
Posted by Daffy Duck, Monday, 8 April 2013 4:19:52 PM
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All of the old-time state sanctioned "religions" are armed to the teeth and full of murderously reasonable intentions towards each other. This is especially true of Islam and Christianity, and to a lesser degree Judaism as it is now being dramatized in Israel/Palestine.

Meanwhile of course these two stark images tell us what Christian-ism as a would be world conquering power-and-control-seeking ideology is really all about.
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~spanmod/mural/panel13.html
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~spanmod/mural/panel21.html
Such is of course the benighted world-view that the IPA and the right-wing religionists that associate with it really promote - while all of the time pretending otherwise and prattling on about "freedom" and even "progress" too.

The IPA does of course have very close links with the right-wing think tanks that dominate the political and cultural shouting matches in the USA. Which in turn are closely associated with the applied politics of right-wing religionists. This site provides a window into the reality of their applied politics and intentions http://www.theocracywatch.org
As does the book American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War On America by the truth-telling author Chris Hedges.

Meanwhile of course the kind of religion promoted by the IPA and right-wing Christians too is only the most superficial and factional and often dim-wiited and perverse expressions of ancient power-and-control-seeking national and tribalistic cultism, and their murderously reasonable intentions. The "great religions" are of course nothing more than the historically dominant cults. Which in the case of Christian-ISM achieved its world-wide dominance via the blood-soaked business end of Constantines famous sword (as the images above portray).

All of the various "God's" of humankind, without exception, are nothing more than the inventions/projections of the individual and collective (tribalistic) ego's of those who promote and adhere to them.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Monday, 8 April 2013 5:08:53 PM
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Logic? A true atheist must have all knowledge if they are to categorically rule out God; therefore, by definition, a true atheist would actually be God. Atheism is inherently self-contradictory and must always be so; therefore, how can atheism be true?
Science? Who can reproduce in a lab what happened in the very first instance of the existence of the Universe? Where is the hard science supporting the beginning of man and the universe?
Myth? What is the legacy of the teaching of Adam and Eve vs the legacy of the teaching of the theory of evolution?
If we are created then it would explain why people (only) can make beautiful music (ie they are made in the Creator's image).
What does the evolutionary chart teach us? We have a dodgey picture of monkey, half-monkey, half-man, man, right? Now, what colour is the last guy in the evolutionary chart? If he's white, then there is a bit of a problem becasue the second last guy is nearly always black - what's the not-so-hidden message here? Whites are further down the evolutionary chain than blacks? The theory of evolution can't get around this inherent racism, no matter what colour everyone is at the end, the supposed transitional creature (for which there is no fossil evidence) is alway monkey-like and hairy and therefore dark in colour.
Give me Adam and Eve any day; atheism is illogical, self-contradictory, lacking in real, hard science and fundamentally racist.
Who wants those qualities in a would-be PM?
Posted by TAC, Monday, 8 April 2013 5:23:15 PM
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Jay Of Melbourne wrote;"You're also being coy, you know there are taboos surrounding supposed human evolution.........."
Taboos do not influence my interpretation of evidence supported theories and artistic interpretations hardly seem relevant. I am more interested in the radiation based scientific dating methods and results used to determine the ages of fossils, and home sites etc and in all the available evidence.

I accept that some of our Australopithecine ancestors went hunting armed with weapons and that "man the tool maker" is a misnomer. Firstly our earliest, upright walking, ancestors tools were weapons, primarily for hunting, but sometimes for fighting and home and hunting range defense.

I have looked but never found any attempt to destroy all 24 of Ardrey's lines of evidence to support his reasoning about africanus's hunting implements. That reasoning was based on the excellent work of an Australian anatomist and anthropologist, Raymond Dart.

The article author used Ardrey's term Risen Ape, a term used by Andrew Denton a few years ago in a SM Herald diary piece. I saved Denton's article which uses another quote, first written by Ardrey at the end of his major investigation of the evidence; "The miracle of man is not how far he has sunk but how magnificently he has risen. We are known among the stars by our poems, not our corpses".

Indoctrination teaches young children just the opposite.
Posted by Foyle, Monday, 8 April 2013 5:39:39 PM
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TAC

nice to know that their are a few more that don't swallow the evolution fantasy dressed up in pseudo science and hoisted upon our kids. Our current PM has done more damage in a few short years than other PM's of varying beliefs. Still those of the secular faith will dream up some evidence in order to remain in denial.
Posted by runner, Monday, 8 April 2013 6:12:26 PM
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What could be more illogical in 2013 than believing in the presumed "resurrection" of Jesus (which never occurred), and that one is somehow "saved" by that presumed event. And using or appealing to the usual childishly naive dim-witted misunderstanding of the old-time fairy stories of Adam and Eve, as a basis for living with Real Intelligence in the 21st century?
This essay provides a unique esoteric Understanding of the Biblical Adam and Eve myth.
http://www.beezone.com/adidajesus/adamnervoussystemeveflesh.html

Plus the essay below describes how the Process of evolution as it relates to human beings really works. In it the author points out that human beings are now living way way down on the scale of their intrinsic evolutionary possibilities, and that our dim-witted exoteric religion actually prevents any further growth or development of such possibilities. Elsewhere (including the website which features the essay) he also points out that the "culture" created in the image of scientism also prevents the emergence of any such developments too. Even more so, and catastrophically too.

http://www.aboutadidam.org/readings/divine_physics_of_evolution/index.html
Posted by Daffy Duck, Monday, 8 April 2013 6:34:26 PM
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