Killarney, there's an old saying that it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than open it and remove all doubt. I recommend it to your study.

Killarney and Danielle, one thing I have noticed on this forum, when gender issues are discussed, is that several posters obviously feel that if some female posters don't agree with their 'intelligent' take on issues, they must be terrible, man-hating feminists.

When the posts start degenerating in this manner, then there is no point going on, because there is just no telling some people!

See you all on another thread : )

Suse, a couple of things.

First, Danielle is not taking a stereotypical feminist position. She is presenting a reasoned argument that tends to contrdict the jingoistic offerings of yourself and the rather rabid Killarney.

Second, Killarney's post is all strawmen; nobody has put forward any of the arguments she purports to be answering, neither has anybody suggested that "ALL women" are anything at all, that is simply a silly effort at "reductio ad absurdum" based entirely on her own strawman and says a lot more about her own nature than about anything from anybody else. Her whole post is meaninglessly circular argument essentially, like so much of the stuff informed by feminist advocates, sadly.

Third, may I ask why you felt the need to say anything at all in your last post? You didn;t actually argue anything, simply had a little snipe and run. What was the point? I'm not being flippant, I'd really like to try to understand why this sort of thing is such a common final post from a couple of the women on here. It reduces the discussion to "us against them" at best, which is hardly constructive.

Hi Anti...nice to see you contributing again.

One thing though, why are you critiquing Suze's last post as a "little snipe and run", when your penultimate post was couched in exactly similar terms?

I disagree Poirot, my post at the top of the page was specifically directed at Killarney's post and I have not run anywhere.

In fact, if she takes my point on board, her posts might improve and then we can have a decent discussion. She's obviously not unintelligent and it's from intelligent disagreement that good discussions arise.

The last post from Suse was essentially simply a spray because she felt the conversation wasn't going her way, it seems to me. There was nothing constructive able to be taken from it. That's a shame, because she's obviously not a stupid woman either.

Too true, Anti, you haven't run...but pray tell, what is "constructive" about a post like that?

I'll just add that women taking on roles in the frontline of combat, appears to me a backward step for the gender.

Also on the subject of women supporting war to gee-up the population, a good book on the subject of the Great War is "The Decline and Fall of the British Aristocracy" wherein the author writes of this war being an opportunity for the upper-classes to once again stamp their aptitude as the knights of the realm, born to leadership - and of the practical support they received from their women in mobilizing the general population in support of the war..(I might add that this class lost one fifth of their able bodied men and heirs during this conflict)