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The fault is in themselves : Comments

By Kevin Donnelly, published 2/4/2013

Again and again, both in terms of policy decisions and political strategy Julia Gillard proves herself more akin to Machiavelli than Gandhi.

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Kevin, there’s something about your article that suggests you don’t like our dear PM very much!! ( :>/

So what’s the answer to Labor’s woes?

Presumably you think that there is no chance of her mending her evil ways. And you don’t seem to have much time for Rudd, just a little more than for Gillard. But you do mention Carr in a favourable manner:

< …Gillard… unlike… Bob Carr, an expert amateur historian… both in her speech and writings, appears pedestrian and devoid of inspiring rhetoric and evidence of deeply held, carefully thought through ideals and beliefs. >

So is Carr their man?
Posted by Ludwig, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 8:39:29 AM
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Kevin Donnelly has omitted to add the Howard government’s SES school funding model to the list of polices that the ALP has copied from the Coalition. This was obvious the day the Gonski report was released, and I said so then, but no journalist or commentator that I read would report this fact. But, finally, 13 months after the Gonksi report was released, one did. The drought broke and Paul Kelly reported the glaring defect in the Gonski report:
“Contrary to early expectations, the new model for private school funding is really a rebadged SES (socioeconomic status) model, despite denials. The SES model was devised under John Howard and is beloved by Abbott….”
(http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/pm-prepares-education-election/story-e6frg74x-1226607110872)

This allowed me to reinforce the point:
“CONGRATULATIONS to Paul Kelly for at last reporting what was obvious the day the Gonski report was released 13 months ago - that the new school funding model "is really a rebadged SES (socioeconomic status) model" ("PM prepares education election", 27/3)….”
(http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/letters/gonski-report-defect-would-hurt-systemic-schools/story-fn558imw-1226607960167)

Adding to the bizarre twists of the Gonksi “debate” (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=14073&page=0), people who signed a letter demanding the end to the SES model years ago (http://www.pgr.org.au/r23.html) have now signed a letter demanding its implementation under Gonski (http://www.sstuwa.org.au/sstuwa/public-education-federal-campaign/sstuwa-federal-funding-campaign-news-a-updates/9190-open-letter-to-prime-minister-premiers-chief-ministers).

If the systemic school authorities have any sense, they will not be conned into accepting the SES model again as they were by the Howard government’s “no losers” guarantee when it was first introduced.
Posted by Chris C, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 8:48:13 AM
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I find it astounding that so many members of the LABOR party are prepared to go down with the Gillard ship in September hence denying their innate instinct for survival.

Julia has shown to the world that she has reached her level of incompetence, in fact, she has far surpassed it. As she dithers her way through the P.M. role she reminds me of a talentless child who has been given the lead role in a school play by a pet teacher.

Those who have carried her and supported her incompetence will have many years to regret their stupidity and lack of judgement. The blood-letting will go on for years.

I'm no fan of Abbott but I will vote for him to ensure that Australia sees the last of Gillard. I had great hopes for her but she has betrayed every one of them!

She would be wise to return to Wales. She is not welcome in Australia!
Posted by David G, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 9:03:47 AM
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Kevin, reading your patently partisan narrative, one could be forgiven for believing it was Gillard that leaked and leaked and leaked; and in the process, virtually destroyed a once great party.
A party that was, prior to the leaks, looking at a landslide win and a very different set of policy paradigms!
A party that once attracted both Turnbull and Abbott, as young political activists.
The problem with this piece of patent pernicious propaganda, is that some less able readers might actually believe, it has some or any element of truth or accuracy?
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 10:53:31 AM
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In this argument I am with Rhrosty.

Rudd ran a dysfunctional PM's office and although I do not know who was responsible for the 2010 election leaks that was the person who put the party's health last.

The main things that the Rudd Government got right were the apology and the prompt and excellent reaction when the GFC hit but that may have been due to the other three of the gang of four (Gillard, Swan and Tanner). Unfortunately, Lindsay Tanner knew he would probably lose his seat at the 2010 election.

As for the three recent resignations, Crean, Ferguson and Kim Carr, not one of them appears to understand that the real class war is being fought and funded by the neo-liberals and their think tanks against the lower 70-90% of the population. If in doubt look at wealth distribution in those countries well down the scale of social justice such as the USA.

Crean obviously thinks that creating massive superannuation businesses will make a major contribution to solving a future problem. That looming problem will only be treated adequately by building real long life infrastructure now. That requires picking winners in technical fields, not big financial parasites.

Anyone who understands the USA and the Euro situations, and understands economics, knows that neither Quantitative Easing or austerity is a sensible approach, particularly doing a downturn. The USA is bailing out Wall Street and the big banks rather than their victims and Europe is like Australia or the USA would be if they had no strong currency issuing (sovereign) central government.
Posted by Foyle, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 12:25:23 PM
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The author wrote: "Again and again, both in terms of policy decisions and political strategy Julia Gillard proves herself more akin to Machiavelli than Gandhi."

Julia Gillard may be in some ways like Machiavelli, but that is not bad. In "The Prince" he described how rulers have operated to get and keep power. Many of those tactics were unsavoury. Machiavelli described those tactics but did not advocate them. Machiavellian is an adjective which refers to those tactics which Machiavelli wrote about. It does not describe Machiavelli, himself. Machiavelli himself apparently favoured a republican form of government and was an excellent political scientist in describing the actions of a tyrant. If Gandhi had had the foresight of Machiavelli India might have stayed united instead of splitting apart. Gillard's cobbling together a government by attracting independents was like what Machiavelli might have done but not Machiavellian. I think Machiavelli is preferable to Gandhi.
Posted by david f, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 1:01:13 PM
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So what’s the answer to Labor’s woes?
Ludwig,
Absolutely nothing personal but that is a silly question.
How about starting to show some sense in policy making would be an excellent start. An even better thing would be to rid themselves of all the academics. You'd see an improvement within a day or two.
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 2:16:54 PM
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Indi, who’s being silly??

I would be most interested in Kevin Donnelly’s views on how Labor can recover. It is certainly not silly to ask!

But how silly are you being – rid themselves of academics? Not that really is somewhere between silly and outrightly daft!!

And as for policies, a lot of what they have desired to do hasn’t been too bad. It is the implementation that has been downright woeful.
Posted by Ludwig, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 8:13:29 PM
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**NOW** that really is somewhere between silly and outrightly daft!!

Aaaargh!!
Posted by Ludwig, Tuesday, 2 April 2013 8:19:21 PM
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Kevin,

Did you really call Gillard intelligent?

Most people would think you'd need to be intelligent to get into Melbourne Law school. I guess Jules has tarnished their brand. Maybe some tips for future Law courses at Melbourne Uni:

i. International law - please tell students that countries accepting asylum seekers from us like to be contacted about it. Preferably not through the Australian media.

ii. Constitutional law - often refers to 'The Commonwealth of Australia'. This is in fact a different legal entity to the Australian Labor Party. The 'Government' is formed by the party with most seats in the House of Representatives in the Australian Parliament. Again, this is a different legal entity to the ACTU.

iii. Bankruptcy Law - when countries spend more than they earn that is called a deficit. Never ending deficits mean we go broke and leave future generations a lower standard of living. Countries themselves cannot actually be liquidated (as per companies) but their fate is much worse. Please refer to Greece circa 2008 to present. I obviously haven't studied law but maybe this comes under Company Law?

iv. Company Law. Companies are actually owned by shareholders and run by the board and executive team. Unions are rarely shareholders or executives of public companies. If you are unsure who actually 'owns' a company you can always check the Registry of Shareholders.

v. Family Law. De-factos are now considered the same as married couples. So if you earn say, $350 000 and your partner just spends a lot of time at sporting events then watch out. He or she is entitled to half of everything you earned.

But applicants who come from the correct political persuation obviously need not worry about the above. Just write about class warfare and no 'hyperbowl' will be too much.
Posted by dane, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 1:57:54 AM
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The main fault with the ALP (be it Gillard or Rudd leading the party) is they act like an opposition. Rudd was constantly running a 24hr media cyclic campaigns instead of actually delivering the junk policies he spewed out before and after he was elected.

Since Gillard has taken over she may be legally smart (debatable) but she is 100% politically dumb. Her blunders are amazing during the 2010 election campaign and even going back to her time in the shadow cabinet. You need to be careful about what you say in opposition as you might end up PM....... but she failed to learn anything once in government also.

Her image now is completely unacceptable to the majority of the electorate and she is running out of BS cards to play to fight off defeat. Most don't listen to her at all and the ones that do are not overly impressed.

Given the time left I find it amusing that her supporters think that a strategy / image change /other can get he over the line. Her only hope right now is for Abbott to do something very stupid. The reality on that score is Abbott has played a very good game of small target politics
Posted by RightSaidFred, Friday, 5 April 2013 7:13:53 AM
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She is to Machiavelli as much as that character in the G&S production is a Modern Major General, she is a serial disaster who blackens the name of the Welsh. The only high skill she possesses is incompetence with an unsurpassed capacity to jump from the frying pan into the fire.

It is a worry that such supporters as she has are are only at the first of the 5 for Grieving (denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance). Fortunately she may be sacked, even (probably?) by her own before the extended agony leading to Sep14.
Posted by McCackie, Friday, 5 April 2013 1:42:29 PM
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