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Dispelling the myths : Comments

By Kay Stroud, published 4/2/2013

Cancer is not just a health issue but has wide-reaching social, economic, development, and human rights implications.

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"Only when I realized my own magnificence, my own perfection, my own self worth as a beautiful child of the universe, was I able to let go of fear and embrace life with all its uncertainties, ambiguities, joys, sorrows, and challenges"

Golly, gosh.

On that basis no politician has or will experience cancer.

Nor any Kardashian.
Posted by WmTrevor, Monday, 4 February 2013 8:21:02 AM
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...OR: Cancer = the death of forever!
Posted by diver dan, Monday, 4 February 2013 8:39:12 AM
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Does wishing real hard and throwing a penny into a fount work as well.Or is only if you pray to the christ-stain god you gt better.
Posted by Kenny, Monday, 4 February 2013 2:49:13 PM
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Sorry, but I work with Cancer patients everyday, and I can assure you no amount of positive thinking is going to make the slightest difference. Over the last thirty years I have seen great advances in research in the treatment of cancer, but I have also seen innumerable doctors who cannot accept the limits of what can be done leaving patients to die in agony after pointless futile treatments.

The "Christian Science" doctrine, boils down to, your illness is your fault because you did not believe enough. This is mythical thinking, and while I love the ancient myths of the Northmen their world has passed.

I live in the real world, and while I have seen miracles, they are extraordinary because of their rarity.
Posted by Jon R, Monday, 4 February 2013 4:14:53 PM
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Nice book advert.

And to unbelievers - are we doomed to die due to "God-force" deficiency? Or should we buy the book advertised to save our Godless lives?

Where should we send the $$$. Oh yes the book advert is hotlinked to America's Amazon.com...
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 4 February 2013 4:26:13 PM
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What I cannot understand is where human rights fit into the scenario:

"Cancer is not just a health issue but has wide-reaching social, economic, development, and human rights implications."

Nothing in the article gives any clues.

Nothing on the World Cancer Day site tells us anything about the human rights implications either, despite the fact that it was their sentence to begin with.

So what can they possibly be thinking? That it is somehow a "human right" to be cancer-free?

Or perhaps it is just a sign of the times in which we live. Everything under the sun must have a "human rights" label attached to it, to provide it with some level of pseudo-gravitas.

No matter how serious the issue may be, it can always be cheapened with the addition of a "human rights" angle.
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 4 February 2013 7:11:55 PM
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Kay, 'holistic care' has been around for many years in the medical profession, so that concept is not a new revelation.

I too have cared for both dying and recovering cancer patients for many years.

The truth is that no amount of praying or belief in a God saved anyone who had a palliative diagnosis that I know of.
If it did, do you not think everyone would be 'saved' if all it took was a fervent belief in a God or prayers to a God?

Now don't get me wrong, I have seen many patients who have used their belief in a religion or God as a great comfort to them during serious cancer illnesses and deaths.

Alternatively, I have also seen many peaceful, calm illnesses and deaths amongst non- religious people.

I would hate to see anyone, religious or otherwise, preying on the vulnerabilities of people with serious cancer illnesses...
Posted by Suseonline, Monday, 4 February 2013 8:44:09 PM
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Hi Kaye,

"Only when I realized my own magnificence, my own perfection, my own self worth as a beautiful child of the universe, was I able to let go of fear and embrace life with all its uncertainties, ambiguities, joys, sorrows, and challenges," she said. In her book, Anita Moorjani speaks about her now enduring realisation of 'the God-force within'.

I had an 8% chance of surviving the cancer I was diagnosed 6 years ago.

The quote from you article has truth.

I believe I survived because firstly of the conventional treatments, secondly I set about a journey that examined all my attitudes, beliefs and behaviours and finally I adopted particular alternative healing beliefs.

I am a different person to what I was.

I know my cancer was triggered by my anger.

I no longer have cancer.

I now have gentleness.

I now have a god without religion.

Keith Kennelly.
Posted by imajulianutter, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 8:51:36 AM
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Yes I agree with the previous commentator, "human rights" seems to be subtitled on every issue these days. I would say that's because there is general consensus that we should be allowed to live peaceably. So one question is ... Is health a "human right" i.e. an inherent right?.... And if an inherent right from whom or what is it inherited? Maybe Anita Moorjani is right, maybe she's not, but I know that if someone told me I was dying from an incurable disease and there was no help for me, I'd definitely walk away from those handing me the death sentence until I found a viable answer and a cure. Anita Moorjani is not the only one in Australia and elsewhere who's been given an 'incurable' label from very dedicated and well-intentioned medicos, and yet she was cured. Thinking further, her doctors were right, there was no material cure available for her - her cure then, was not mainstream medical, not material... so was it a change in her consciousness to a spiritual viewpoint i.e. non-material?

Another commentator seems to link sin with the onset of illness i.e. that illness is a punishment. A punishment from whom or what? If the Bible is right when it says "God is Love", then a punishing illness wouldn't come from a loving source. In fact Anita Moorjani's answer might be that when that universal source of Love is deeply felt it overshadows the fear of the punishing illness to such an extent that health is the outcome.
Posted by Anita J, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 9:26:27 AM
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Oh Keith... You and I must have been writing our posts at the same time ... How absolutely wonderful that you put your 'incurable' label aside and looked elsewhere (within and without) and you were cured! ... I think you may have found the same God that I found ... Not a great big person god or an angry god ... but a universal (aka infinite) power for and of good. Apparently God and good are the same word in 26 languages ... and why not? Can you tell us more about your journey? I would love to hear further from you ... And it may help others
Posted by Anita J, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 9:55:38 AM
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Anita,

You seem sensitive and I'd love too but ... sadly too many people would be too skeptical to acknowledge my truths which I've found. It has been an enormously complex journey with a few very personal epiphanies and an unusual(Not Kinky and nothing like disgusting 50 shades...) exploration of love and sex.
Sooooo naturally this isn't quite the forum for such an exposition..

Anita I had a stage three bowel cancer which had spread through the bowel wall, into the flesh around the liver. It was in the lymph nodes, an estimation of 6-8,and spreading. I had 12 months chemo, total. Twenty eight days radiation, an op that removed flesh and bowel inside that left a hole as big as my fist that took two years to heal. I had a temp bag for those years. They removed 12 lymph nodes.
Make no mistake the initial impetus for cure came from traditional medical practise. The other which came from within and from alternatives which I believe took care of the expected return and the two years of extraordinary chronic pain which had resulted from the surgery after the bag was removed.

Most people look at me as though I'm a little nuts or at best eccentric. They say things like, 'Ah you've a bucket list.' to which I reply, 'no I've no intention of dying.' or 'cancer has changed you.' to which I say 'no I changed me ... deliberately'.

I gave up helping people ages ago. I was too busy surviving and then I couldn't deal with the skepticism, or any responsibility. Still can't.
Even though I am younger looking, more active in everyway and healthier than most other 60+ year olds, I struggle with the fact that I'm not believed.

Yep I talk to many older people and most people at sixty are old or terribly damaged in some way... many have simply given up their zest for living or try to live their lives through their grandkids.

If you are seriously interested Graham has my e-mail address.

I'd happily authorise it's release to you.
Posted by imajulianutter, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 2:45:55 PM
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Good on you imajuliarnutter for proving them wrong :)

I believe a positive attitude helps healing in many people, however I have also seen extremely positive people die early of their disease.
So I believe it is often just the luck of the draw.

The chemo, radiotherapy and surgery worked for your particular case, and I'm sure your positive attitude and change helped to heal the wounds.
Good luck to you.
Posted by Suseonline, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 7:24:17 PM
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suzie

one of the things I did that others find difficult was to become totally selfish and I only did things to save myself. I didn't do things to prove anybody wrong. I did things I always wanted to do and it gave me a zest for life. I didn't live for the sake of others. I wanted to live for me and focused on doing things for only me.

'The chemo, radiotherapy and surgery worked for your particular case, and I'm sure your positive attitude and change helped to heal the wounds.'
Yep that's very close to what I said. But I also believe the chemo etc would work for others and they'd survive if they had something selfish to live for. I don't believe in survival being a lottery.

I saw many people just give up during their treatments. I'd assess if I thought people were selfish enough to want to survive before I'd spend time communicating with them. Most people I avoided. I couldn't see them having a reason to live. I avoided the negativity and negative people.

I wasn't so much positive. I just had things I wanted to do. I avoided people and situations that were going nowhere
Posted by imajulianutter, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 8:06:42 PM
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