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The Greens' burning problem : Comments

By Mark Poynter, published 11/2/2013

The Greens’ attempts to connect with rural Australia are being hampered by a hot fire season that has exposed their contradictory behaviour with regard to bushfire management.

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Those on the receiving end of the greens' irrational worship of big government as some kind of all-knowing all-capable God, are getting sick of the regular burnt sacrifices of human life and property. I, and everyone who spent days on my property destroying sheep in agony from the fire, have wished we could rub Robert's face in the carcases of stinking rotten dead sheep killed by his absurd and stupid belief that the amount of fuel there is, bears no relation to the amount of fire damage that it can do!

To anyone not blinded by ideology and power-worship, it's perfectly obvious that the more fuel there is, the greater the risk of fire damage; and that the conflagrations of recent years are because of governmental restrictions on burning because of the anti-human, anti-rational green religion which regards human life as a plague, and private property as immoral.

What's the government doing pretending to manage the ecology anyway?

The solution is for state-held lands to be sold to the highest bidder, and let the Robert LePages of this world put their money where their mouth is, and be liable for the destructiveness of their actions like everyone else.
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Monday, 11 February 2013 4:59:28 PM
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It is frustrating to continually hear the Greens espouse the importance of “listening to the Science”, when it comes to climate change. However, In this instance, there is significant research conducted by Australian scientists (CSIRO), professionals with extensive field experience and knowledge that will save lives and property - but because it doesn’t align with a false ideology, it is discounted. Instead, policies are formulated by cappuccino sipping city dwellers responding to the perceived popular opinion of those whose land management experience amounts to the odd bushwalk every now and then. It is absolutely nuts.
Posted by jmsc, Monday, 11 February 2013 7:11:28 PM
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Jardine K. Jardine.

A very heart welling story, felt by all, however the planet and the human effect cant be stopped. From my understanding as a?..(name your topic) the world/planet is going through some changes at the momment, and these events are not fully the fault of who is in charge on this time-line. IMO the gold rush has stopped and now all that mankind can do, is to wait it out...(just like all the other changes thats happened over time)(hundreds of millions of years and so on)

So its biz as allways, just every ten years, it gets 0.2% harder.

Good luck and all the best.

PLANET3

Jardine...if this helps, our human greatness, is partly bad timing and the movements of the planets ways, thats well doc>ed.

Mark Poynter, nice ant-ball kickings, but the facts remain.

PLANET3
Posted by PLANET3, Monday, 11 February 2013 8:23:25 PM
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Some self proclaimed inner city Sydney greens bought 1800 acres of mountain country near us to do their bit to protect montaine forests.
They locked up the land with a Voluntary Conservation Agreement and refused all entreatments to manage the fuel on their block.They eventually sold on after a decade because they felt guilty about the carbon they emitted driving down from Sydney. They left a time bomb with legal caveats left in place and maximum fuel on the ground.
The bomb went off December 2009 on a blow up day leaving this mountain block devoid of wildlife and reducing trees that stood when Cook sailed up the coast to ash! Not too mention neighbours houses.
They are not remembered fondly.
Be wary of non resident greens owning land next to you, especially in the bush.
Posted by AllanL, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 7:38:43 AM
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First Jardine I am very sorry that you and many have lost property and loved ones in bush fires.
I realise that it will be rubbing salt into wounds to criticize any fire fighting efforts.
No I was not one of the volunteer fire fighters because I am now close to 77 and have a heart ailment as well as recovering from cancer but I can assure you that if I was younger and in reasonable health I would be a volunteer.
I can find nowhere in my posts where I am appealing to an authority and then accepting their word in answer to my mythical appeal.
The reasoning about the lack of effect of FRB is from a study in the US where it was found that areas that had been burnt out and then had regrowth, had a hotter burn due to the ground being dried out in the first fire.
This is not my idea but I have read about this and it seems logical to me.
To take the theory of FRB to it's lunatic conclusion, the best approach is to clear fell all of the forest and have no fuel at all.
Possibly this would appeal to some at FT and a big company that has just gone bankrupt but is obviously not practical.
I reiterate what I said in my earlier post that we need to think about this and use brains not politics or profits to find a solution.
Posted by Robert LePage, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 2:47:28 PM
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It would seem that there are different rules for different States and I gather that Jardine, from the talk of koalas is from a mainland State.
I agree that "some" Greens over there have exerted a bigger influence than I would have thought possible on local by-laws and have used this to go overboard with draconian enforcement.
But I think that " spending days on my property destroying sheep in agony from the fire, have wished we could rub Robert's face in the carcases of stinking rotten dead sheep killed by his absurd and stupid belief that the amount of fuel there is, bears no relation to the amount of fire damage that it can do!" is going a bit too far.
I was not personally responsible for this catastrophe and would have been as distraught as you are.
The thing that strikes me about some of the posts is that there is a continuing vehement hate towards the Greens and anyone perceived as being green.
This attitude will not stop future fires and more heartbreak.
"The solution is for state-held lands to be sold to the highest bidder" is maybe not the panacea that you claim.
It might all be bought up by China and control lost over it for good.
All the local councils are not Green so they cannot be held to account for a handful here and there.
Posted by Robert LePage, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 2:49:05 PM
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