Quote from Rhian:

"And no employer group I know of argues that we must adopt Asian wages and working conditions in order to compete".

They would if they could Rhian, and they did when they were allowed to. If not for unions and laws, we'd all be slaves. Don't be so ridiculous as to suggest otherwise. They were draged kicking and screaming into a world of social justice, and without constant vigilence they would regress in an instant, Vanstones comment to wit

And the government that tried it on got dumped so decisively that its leader lost his blue-ribbon seat,
Emperor Julian,
You, as is typical for Labor supporters conveniently failed to mention that the afore-mentioned was solely due & only possible because of the massive numbers in the Public Service. Were there an integrity-based system which only permitted wealth creators rather than wealth takers to vote it would have never happened.

Tellall

The problem with your argument is that it is totally impervious to reason or evidence. If you won’t accept either people’s stated objectives or their actions as evidence of their motives, then you are free to populate their heads with whatever you fancy, however baseless.

I could with equal validity (i.e. none) claim that you “really” want to kick puppies to death, even though you may never have said as much, or kicked so much as a single canine.

Rhian

But I do accept peoples actions as evidence of their motives.

Those actions are happening all over the world, right now, and history is full of those actions. Are you blind, deaf and dumb?

Of course they don't state their true intentions, because those intentions are to reduce wages and conditions. They prove that by their actions.

Question: if a completely deregulated labour market increases wages, why are employers arguing for it? Are you expecting us to believe that employers want to pay higher wages?