susanonline,

once upon a time the Labor Party claimed Slipper and Thompson had
style, and intelligence, were well spoken and presentable, and most of all were nothing like Abbott... too.

Where did you line up when the Labor cabinet trashed Rudd?

Did you readily jump aboard all those barrows when the Labor Party pushed them ... too?

Not at all. I have been a Greens supporter for the past two elections actually.
Although that doesn't preclude me from having opinions on leaders of other political parties does it?

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Erm… yes, they do, Sarah. They are both manic pro-growthers. That is; ANTIsustainabilityists!

What we desperately need is a ‘sustainable Australia, not a big Australia’, as Gillard put it.

Until recently, the population stabilisation / sustainability lobby was looking at Turnbull with considerable interest, in the belief that he had made some indications of moving in this direction.

But alas, he completely blew that out of the water and entrenched his position as being totally aligned with the vested-interest wishes of big business and the same old dinosaur political paradigm in which growth is seen as the answer to everything, faster growth is always better, and no attempt is made to separate out the good and bad aspects of growth.

Turnbull should now be completely beyond support from any clear-thinking voter who wants the best for our future in this country.

Ludwig, you probably appreciate why advocates of big government welcome growth - it means a never ending flow if increasing revenues. These are needed to cover the ever increasing demands for funding from those who feel entitled. Eliminating growth is likely to mean that revenues flatten, possibly declining if tax cuts are used to offset the feelings of declining prosperity, but then what do you do with the ever increasing demands for better services, more grants, more public servants, more this and that?

Seems to me that whichever way you look at it, we have to address these issues. My viewpoint is that we need and deserve a very capable and competent government that can cut fat out of the system, provide services much more efficiently, and address the evergrowing feelings of entitlement amongst those who contribute very little to the revenue streams needed to fund the nation. Smaller government and reduced entitlements are good, but the problem is that those addicted to big government and ever increasing entitlements have votes too, and they tend to vote for whomever throws the largesse around more extravagantly. Historically, as now, that has been Labor governments with the qualified exception of the Hawke/Keating government.

A push in the coalition ranks to go hard on industrial relations, with individual contracts, and unfair dismissal laws only apply to small business.
Work choices, no doubt would be rebadged. They want it put in the public domain, asap.
Abbott would be stupid enough to do it, i do not think Turnbull would.

Well thank you 579, for that small glimpse of honesty.

Obviously you prefer Turnbull as you know, like Labor, any policy of his would be to buy votes of a special interest sector, or of his mates. We of course hate that sort of policy making, & thus Turnbull, & also fear his interest in helping merchant bankers to a pot of gold with a global warming scam trading scheme.

It is nice to see why so many lefties want Turnbull, they assume he can be bought, just like the current Labor crop. Nice one.

Just tell us which Labour members staff you are on. My guess is Swan, with your similar IQs.