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By Theo Zographos, published 27/12/2012In the last few days, I have received dozens of letters supporting my motion that Merry Christmas be included on decorations. I have received not one against.
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Posted by WmTrevor, Thursday, 27 December 2012 8:50:21 AM
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A Council “Enjoinder” against Christmas…Should I be surprised! I am with Dickens...
…"I know enough of the world now to have almost lost the capacity of being much surprised by anything". Charles Dickens: Posted by diver dan, Thursday, 27 December 2012 9:11:43 AM
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"I think it is time to end this ridiculous and absurd level of political correctness and finally stand up for what is right, that Christmas is Christmas."
I agree entirely. I thought that was what was what was being celebrated..........and I'm an atheist. PC has become an agency for absurdity. Posted by snake, Thursday, 27 December 2012 9:16:37 AM
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I was just wondering how many of the six councilors who voted against the motion were Muslims (or Jews, Buddhists etc) and how many ex-Christians.
Posted by George, Thursday, 27 December 2012 9:19:46 AM
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Christmas is primarily about the birth of the Christ? Yes, for most people, about as much as Thursday implies the worship of Thor.
Please, if we do retain the S Greetings formula, let's have it complete, with apostrophe: Season's Greetings. Merry Christmas Posted by Asclepius, Thursday, 27 December 2012 9:20:36 AM
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I am also an atheist, who wants his, & his kids Christmas back.
It is not however the desire for Christmas back, it is a desire for some sanity that is important. Political correctness was simply a political ploy to catch a few votes. It is surely a sign of insanity that so many of our elite could pick it up, & make it their new religion. Churchill talked about so much owed by so many to so few, but has their ever been a time when so few crackpots have controlled the actions, & even the thoughts of so many. It really is time to sweep the halls of crackpots, as we take down the "CHRISTMAS" boughs of holly we have decked them with. Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 27 December 2012 10:30:49 AM
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I do not celebrate Christmas, and have no plans of starting now or in the future. I am not offended when someone says 'Merry Christmas' to me as it is akin to 'Have a nice day' as it is in many instances a throw-away comment with little feeling behind. Nor are most people who I know that do not celebrate Christmas offended when they hear it either.
However, 'Seasons Greetings' has always sounded wrong to me. 'Seasons', which seasons? Summer, Winter, Racing Season, Fruiting Seasons - What? 'Seasons Greetings' and the associated banalities came about because a few individuals were offended and others took up the banner to champion their cause. It is easy to champion a cause like this, but where are these others to champion the cause of homelessness, poverty, mental health support (or lack thereof), vicious school bullying and assault, etc. They are nowhere to be seen. You can be living in hell, but as long as you aren't offended by a 'Merry Christmas' it's all good. People's priorities make me sick sometimes. Posted by Arthur N, Thursday, 27 December 2012 10:41:34 AM
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Actually Christmas is the co-opted Christianized version of the almost universal northern hemisphere celebration of the winter solstice - the reappearance of the light in the depths of a dark winter.
It was/is called. Alban Arhtan by neo-Druids in England Amaterasu the celebration of the Shinto Sun goddess in Japan Chaomos festival of the Kalash people of Pakistan Chronia festival of ancient Greece Christmas started in 4th century Rome Deygan Zoroastrian celebration of ancient Persia Dong Zhi observed by Buddhists in China and East Asia Feast of St Lucia ancient Scananavian festival became St Lucy's Day Hannukah the Festival of Lights throughout Judaism Hogmanay Scottish new year with roots in Norse solstice celebrations Inti Raymi observed by Incans during southern hemispheres winter Junkanoo parades in Bahamas and Jamnaica originating in West Africa Makara Sankranti Hindu midwinter festival in India and SE Asia Saturnalia sun festival of ancient Rome Soyal ceremony of Zuni & Hopi tribes in North America Wren Day from Druidic tradition of Ireland & Wales Yule or Jul observed since the Viking Age by Norse & Germanic cultures. I include this greeting in cards that I send to my friends. On this Feast of the Light in Every Body may you give and receive the Gifts of Love and Happiness, and may the Spirit of this Celebration live in your hearts throughout the New Year. Of course what usually happens is that after the good feeling of the Christmas celebration most people quickly revert back to their barbarian self by the time the New Year arrives. With New Year Eve's celebration being in many cases grossly degrading. Posted by Daffy Duck, Thursday, 27 December 2012 10:55:33 AM
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I don't particularly care one way or another WHAT the decorations say. I DO care, however, that my elected representatives make the most effective use of their precious time, and don't waste it on revisiting and debating decisions that were utterly trivial in the first place. This author has cost the ratepayers of Monash a considerable sum of money for no good reason, and I hope they will keep that in mind when election day rolls around again.
Posted by Jon J, Thursday, 27 December 2012 11:22:02 AM
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I see a lot of silly pointless arguments about this matter, December the 25th. is supposed to be the birth date of Jesus of Nazareth, a lot of "Christians" think Christ is his second name, they haven't a clue about what Christ means. A lot of churches carry on with a lot of sanctimonious drivel and their "blind" followers smugly grin at each other while "singing at the ceiling" and then wander off thinking they have "done good works". PLEASE HAVE A SAFE HOLIDAY would have be a good alternative.
Posted by lockhartlofty, Thursday, 27 December 2012 1:14:14 PM
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I have just returned from Burma (mainly Buddhist),Malaysia (mainly Muslim), Singapore (mixed) and India (Hindu). In all these places Christmas was being celebrated as Christmas - trees, carols the lot - and no one was turning a hair.
It seems it is only in mainly Christian countries, such as Australia that we get precious over the feelings of minorities in this matter. Yet back in Australia I have yet to meet anyone of any other religion who is offended by the celebration of Christmas. Posted by Graham Cooke, Thursday, 27 December 2012 4:33:25 PM
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Let's see now, Graham -- that would be
Burma -- where Buddhists are burning Muslim villages and killing dozens of people. Malaysia -- where journalists are deported for 'insulting' a dead prophet, and performers can't perform if they have tattoos saying 'Allah'. Singapore -- where they ritually cut the throats of live sheep. India -- where three weeks ago a woman was beheaded in the street by her brother in an 'honour' killing. What wonderful examples of religious open-heartedness to put in front of us! Let's be just as tolerant of other faiths and attitudes as the inhabitants of these nations are! PS: you can find all the relevant articles by searching http://religiousatrocities.wordpress.com/ Posted by Jon J, Thursday, 27 December 2012 6:22:50 PM
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Jonh J, season's greeting to you but aren't we getting a little off the subject here? I am well aware of the problems religion causes all over the world - surprised you did not throw in Northern Ireland, Nigeria or the Democratic Republic of Congo for good measure. While in Burma I reported on the plight of the Rohingya people in the west of the country and will no doubt offer something to On Line Opinion on the subject in the near future. In this context I was simply making a comment on the author's story about the use of the words 'Merry Christmas'. I'll try to solve the woes of the world later.
Posted by Graham Cooke, Saturday, 29 December 2012 3:28:00 PM
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Except when it's being Advent, or Christmastide or the Epiphany Season.
So it seems to me, Theo, that 'Seasons Greetings' is most appropriate as one salutation covers all the bases... including up to Compline ending the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin Mary. It even copes with being inclusive of Chanukah.
Of course, that is only important to those who believe practising such observances is politically correct.