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Australia's diplomatic pragmatism : Comments

By Kellie Tranter, published 5/12/2012

Australia's stance is not about diplomacy, and it's not about pragmatism: it's about taking sides for reasons unconnected with what's in issue.

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Dr O: Check your history instead of parroting the Tel Aviv talking points. The Palestinians long ago (Oslo) accepted the right of the state of Israel to exist, as long as "Israel" was, as demanded by Resolution 242 of the UN General Assembly, in accordance with the pre-1967 boundaries.

What we have witnessed, ever since the 1947 UN resolution creating the state of Israel, is the progressive theft of Palestinian land, and in the case of the Golan Heights, annexed in 1981, of Syrian territory.

The Israeli government talks about the "peace process" but I am far from the first to note that this process is wholly one as defined by them. It does not really envisage an independent Palestine state and those who persist in thinking that a two state solution is ever within their purview are simply deluded.

Even the ineffectual Ban Ki-Moon said that the latest settlement plan was the death knell of the two state solution. Of course there are the ritual noises of condemnation about those settlement plans. It won't make a blind bit of difference to the Israelis, any more than widespread condemnation, UN resolutions or the findings of the World Court have deterred them from earlier settlement building encroaching ever more onto Palestinian land.

Their arrogance and intransigence will ultimately lead to the destruction of the Zionist state. They will only have themselves to blame.
Posted by James O'Neill, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 2:47:01 PM
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David,

I suggest you polish up on your knowledge. The historical fact is that Israel was created by a vote in the UN in May 1948. This information is historical,not hysterical as your source seems to be. Also, your suggestion that Netanyahu is a terrorist or a representative of them probably comes from the same source. Do yourself a favour (and us). Make up your own mind, once you've read the facts.
Posted by thinkingaustralian, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 4:24:05 PM
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The UN vote was not for the creation of a new state called Palestine. It was not a vote for peace. It was a vote to abandon the Oslo Accords, since Oslo stipulated that neither side take unilateral action, and the request for observer status is a very blatant unilateral action. If the Palestinians ever want statehood, they should pay close attention to the formula that was agreed in 1967, namely land for peace. Over 2,000 missiles this year alone is not peace.
Posted by Dannyg, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 5:41:46 PM
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Dannyg says "since Oslo stipulated that neither side take unilateral action, and the request for observer status is a very blatant unilateral action."
Isn't the constant building and expanding of settlements unilateral actions? I'm quite certain the Palestinians never agreed to them.
"Over 2,000 missiles this year alone is not peace."
How many missiles have the Israelis fired into the Palestinian territories this year? Certainly many more than two thousand. Or were these Israeli missiles peaceful ones? What about the military occupation, the checkpoints, the home demolitions, the assassinations? Are these all peaceful actions too?
At least I can understand the rationale for violence from the Palestinians. They are the ones under occupation and occupation always results in violence by those being occupied.
I also understand the Israeli violence and desire to take more and more of the little that remains to the Palestinians. Unfortunately this desire appears to be based upon a notion of racial supremacy where the only important ones are Jews. The Arabs are seen as simply animals to be shot or corralled into tiny enclaves where they won't cause problems for the chosen people.
Posted by Rhys Jones, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 6:22:52 PM
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Israel was created via pressure from the Rothschild Family the most powerful banking family on the planet.The Rothschilds refuse to allow media intrusion into how powerful they really are.The pin-up boys like Bill Gates are paupers by comparision.

Abama and the Zionists don't get on.Upon the re-election of Obama,he not only sacked General Petraeus the CIA head, but 30 other military and Govt officials who supported the Zionist agenda of attacking Iran under the lie of them developing nukes.

This does not mean that that Obama does not support the neo-con agenda of a Western New World Order.ie Global Governance by banksters.
Obama and his supporters now want to control the planet in more subversive ways that won't immediately mean an nuke war with Russia and China.

The election of Obama was a big slap in the face for the Zionists because they through AIPAC poured millions into the Romney campaign who would have supported and attack on Iran which China and Russia warned them against.

Norman Fikilstein on Hard Talk says that 80% of US Jews voted for Obama which was against the Zionist lobby's agenda of their Middle East Wars of Imperialism.

Note that an oil pipeline now links Iraq with Israel.Saddham Hussein a US created dictator got out of control.He started trading oil in EUROs thus undermining the US $.Oil still supports the US $ but as China rises,the Renimbi will become the global currency thus pushing the Western Oligarchs towards WW3 beacuse we have no industrial productivity to back up our present posturing.
Posted by Arjay, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 8:18:47 PM
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Rhys Jones said "Isn't the constant building and expanding of settlements unilateral actions? I'm quite certain the Palestinians never agreed to them." Wrong and wrong again. Neither the Declaration of Principles (DOP) of September 13, 1993 nor the Interim Agreement ("Oslo 2") of September 28, 1995 contains any provisions prohibiting or restricting the establishment or expansion of Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza. Israel in fact withdrew from Gaza and was rewarded with violence. But of course if the Palestinians resort to violence, it must be justified.
Posted by Dannyg, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 8:46:20 PM
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