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Lessons from Australia? Engaging indigenous peoples in carbon markets : Comments

By Elizabeth Buchan, published 5/12/2012

New market mechanisms offer hope for the effective engagement of indigenous peoples in carbon markets but policy makers must tread carefully.

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"... indigenous peoples in carbon markets"

Two things that don't work.
Posted by drab, Wednesday, 5 December 2012 10:34:10 PM
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The premise of this article appears to be singularly misguided - given that burning 'savannah' of any kind and at any stage achieves no sequestering of carbon whatsoever - and surely sequestration should, or must, be the intent of any carbon credit scheme. But this proposal rather acts in reverse, by removing a food supply for native animals which might themselves then become food for others, humans included. Strategic burning to optimise native animal productivity and harvesting, or to enhance grazing by introduced domestic stock, on the other hand, as suggested quite constructively by Rhrosty, or replacement by forestry, would be positive contributors to sequestering carbon, as well as to constructive employment and legitimate income derivatives. But then, burning is easy, barely requiring an occasional disturbance to one's snoozing - and certainly worth this minimal effort if some idiot is willing to pay you to do it!

Unless I'm missing something, this whole idea is hair-brained or half-baked in the extreme. I can only imagine that some imaginative person is floating this ludicrous proposition in hopes of roping-in some totally gullible individuals or governments, in guise of some indigenous reconciliation strategy?
Posted by Saltpetre, Thursday, 6 December 2012 4:49:35 AM
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The first sentence should read 'Carbon markets have long been a tool to (not) reduce emissions that (may or may not) contribute (infintesimally) to climate change'.

Carbon sequestration? Unknown concept to this author it seems.

Elizabeth. Please note:

Hasbeen.
" I have yet to see any evidence of the statement having even the slightest validity.

Rhrosty
"We need to utilise a vastly more productive way to manage the landscape!
And that way is by very short term, intensive cell grazing."

Jon J.
"To present the kind of absurd drivel in this article seriously, with a straight face, requires a special kind of mind. A frightening kind."

Loudmouth.
"buring things is part of zelf-determination; growing trees (and down the track, processing them into furniture timber etc.) would be part of a new form of neo-colonialism"

Taswegian.
"Find something else for indigenous people to do. For example some indigenous people could make money storing nuclear waste on their land which helps genuine causes like cancer treatment."

Drab.
"Two things that don't work". (Classic!)

Sorry for not introducing any new and original thoughts on this occasion team, but everyone, in their own way and from their varying perspectives have decisively encapsulated my own reaction to this curious submission.
Posted by Prompete, Thursday, 6 December 2012 7:14:09 AM
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Elizabeth. Refer to:

Saltpetre. "I can only imagine that some imaginative person is floating this ludicrous proposition in hopes of roping-in some totally gullible individuals or governments, in guise of some indigenous reconciliation strategy?"

Perhaps the most unnerving comment of all. The insidious rent seekers, once again manipulating, using and abusing Govt 'feel good', patronising, indigenous policies.
I imagine the likes of Noel Pearson would come down on the side of Rhrosty and Loudmouth. Ie, earned money for genuine employment.
Posted by Prompete, Thursday, 6 December 2012 7:27:03 AM
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