What a pile of!

This is just another instance of Labor buying the vote of another special interest group.

It is even a waste at that. Their illegal boat people policy has been to buy the Muslim vote, & has worked beautifully for them, while costing every non Muslim heaps.

They did not have to make this extra gesture to hold that vote, but hay, why not do this to excess, just like everything else they do.

The vote has been held based on a lie. The country of Palestine was never expunged in the first place.

To claim it was is just plain wrong no matter how many times the zionists and their shills screech.

The US have been disgraceful over this but at last our own ALP backbench found their balls and didn't vote with them.

Although our bribed client states in the region did.

And today the coward Bowen and his racist PM were forced to bring a dying man from Nauru before they killed him.

OUr treatment of refugees and asylum seekers can only be described as bullying.

Hasbeen you are utterly incoherent again. There is no such thing as an illegal boat person and even if there was what does that have to do with Palestine apart from the fact that 100 Palestinians are currently jailed here for asking us for help.

Emp Julian:

“[Israel] is not legitimate”

Israel was established by a UN resolution. It is more legitimate than most other independent countries in the world. What are you basing your claim on?

You keep repeating your theory that the US supports Israel due to America’s dependence on oil from the Middle East. Can I remind you that the oil is concentrated in Arab countries, not in Israel. Logic dictates that the oil issue should encourage the US to support the Arabs against Israel now, while they are dependant on Arab oil. Can you explain your illogical theory?

“…the Palestinians would be fools… to accept [Israel] as legitimate and permanent”

Obviously you are not a supporter of the two-state solution. What do you support then? The solution proposed by Hamas? Hezbollah? Or do you have an even more radical proposal?

It is because of extremists like yourself that the region is doomed to a perpetual state of war.

Marilyn:

“The country of Palestine was never expunged in the first place”

You mean it never existed in the first place.

“…our bribed client states in the region [voted with the US]”

The only obvious bribery case we had here was a vote buying exercise by the ALP.

Re Avw

*Legitimacy: Israel was never legitimised by any agreement with or even input from the actual people who lived there. Foreigners can use UN to enforce a regime but they can’t legitimise it any more than they could legitimise the colonial archipelago in Africa. Even the part of Israel that was put there by the foreigners in the UN has been far exceeded by conquests since 1948, and the extra territory is no more legitimate even by the exclusively foreign UN than was South-West Africa when Apartheid South Africa grabbed it. If the foreigners want at least the appearance of legitimacy in Israel they might start by obeying the slew of UN resolutions of which they are defying.

*Oil: Israel renders a vital service by keeping the Middle East, even now extending to Iran, in constant uproar and threat.

*Bribery: The Australian abstention from the Palestine resolution was in keeping with the views of the overwhelming majority of the UN delegates including the British and European delegates. Marilyn was probably referring to a group of tiny Pacific Island nations which routinely vote on global issues according to who is the highest bidder.

*Extreme solution: You want extreme? Try a state formalised as an exclusive “homeland” for a global ethnic group of many real nationalities. Not just extreme but unique. My oft-repeated solution and that of very many others is DEMOCRACY, a totally foreign concept to Zionists (and not a comfortable one for Hamas or Hezbollah or even Fatah either). A secular, democratic state from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean which does not discriminate on the basis of religion and ethnicity.

I think that Labor electing to be neutral on Palistinian recognition by the UN is based on desperation rather than some noble humanitarian deed.

They have a lot of Muslims in their electorates and need all the support they can muster.

If Labor had real courage and a sense of justice, they would have voted in the positive for Palistinian recognition and told the Zionists to face reality.