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Polling and the US Presidential election: who will win? : Comments

By Jo Coghlan, published 6/11/2012

Polling can't tell us who will win the US presidency but voters in Florida might know.

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The author rightly points out that the 2000 and 2004 elections were marred by electoral fraud, although that might be said to be a massive understatement. It is rather curious therefore that the discussion about the 2012 election is free of any such analysis.

The evidence is overwhelming. There has been massive manipulation of the right and opportunity of voters to actually cast their votes. That effort has been directed at persons who might reasonably be expected to vote for Obama rather than Romney. There are multiple law suits already in the system challenging these voter manipulation laws. Whether they have any effect remains to be seen.

The author also completely fails to discuss the role of voting machines. Again the evidence is overwhelming. They are corrupt and have demonstrably been used to favour Republicans. They are the reason Bush the Lesser "won" in 2004. Jimmy Carter's organisation, which has overseen many foreign elections, refuses to participate in the US one because, as he says, there is no means of checking the veracity of the results.

As commentators above have noted however, it probably does not make an iota of difference which of the two main horses is actually declared the winner: the real decisions will continue to be made elsewhere, and the myth of American democracy will die another death.
Posted by James O'Neill, Tuesday, 6 November 2012 5:12:43 PM
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Who will win? The Banking Military Industrial Complex always wins.They own Obama,Romney and most of Congress.

Romney will more likely do Israel's bidding and attack Iran.Presently as Malcolm Fraser observes,the BMIC is trying to surround China and Russia.WW3 is not far away unless we wake up soon.
Posted by Arjay, Tuesday, 6 November 2012 6:26:49 PM
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As the progressive radio host Mike Malloy says "Under the democrats we have a slow march to a fascist state, under the Republicans we have a race to a fascist state".

"Hold your nose and vote Obama".

Romney, as someone said, sold his soul to the devil many decades ago. This man will dance to the Tea party extremist tune when in conservative states and then moderate his views when in swing states. He is a man of no virtue. People who call him a successful business man are blinded by the "who has the most money is the best" viewpoint. If that were the case, if the ends truly justifies the means then Robert Mugabe is a great business man because he has hundreds of Millions.
When someone buys a business with a private equity buyout and can shift the debt of the purchase on to the business just bought, raping all the cash out of the business, reaping bonuses from the bank for bringing them the deal, then shifting production to China to massively increase profitability then setting up a company in the Caribbean to purchase the products from the China facility at the cost of production then selling the products to the USA company a the price the USA company delivers the products to the end user, they have set up the following, no profits in the USA, no Profits in China but hey presto huge profits in the Caribbean. They call this good business do they? I call it criminal, how can anyone with any sense of fairness support Romney?
As someone who has never had an employer other than my own company set up while at University I am fully supportive of business builders and fellow employers, however this USA style of Predatory Capitalism is too much too far, it's heads they win tails you lose.

So it's the lesser of two evils for me, vote Obama.
Posted by mightor, Tuesday, 6 November 2012 8:38:11 PM
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I do find much of this rather funny. No one has ever handed out so much tax payer money to their friends & donors as Obama, & got away with it.

No one could plan to do as much to destroy jobs as Obama. He is out to destroy their coal industry, oil industry, & the new prosperity being generated by the shale gas bonanza, just to buy his green funding. It is his rank & file low income supporters that he is planning to hurt the most.

If he gets back just watch the crazies coming out of his EPA.

If he gets the boot, just watch the flurry of regulations put into force, before Romney gets into the white house.

It will take the US years to get over Obama if they chuck him out now, decades if he gets another term.

This bloke has the arrogant stupidity of Rudd, with the sly viscous cunning of Gillard all rolled into one. Poor silly yanks.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 6 November 2012 10:58:17 PM
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I understand the votes in and counted. The result was Obama 5 votes, Romney 5 votes. So voted the good folk of Dixville New Hampshire, where polling began at midnight and was completed and counted by about 5 past. Obama took a commanding lead early scoring 100% of the vote when Tanner Tillotson was the first to cast a vote and proclaimed a Obama victory as that's the bloke he voted for.
All I can say is there can't be much to do in Dixville New Hampshire, and Tanner Tillotson and his neighbors should get a life. Gee, I should get a life I'm writing about it. who cares, Obamba, Romney, there will be no change, they both are the servants of US capitalism, imperialism. Make another war, kill another million, loose another trillion, what's going to change.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 7 November 2012 5:58:19 AM
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Prof Chris Busby has found evidence of slightly enriched uranium in Fallujah Iraq.They found this evidence in women's hair which dates back to the Fallujah attacks.Birth deformities are off the scale.They found eveidence of slightly enriched Uranium,not Depleted Uranium which is also used.Busby surmises that this is some sort of new thermobaric small nuclear weapon,perhaps a neutron bomb.

The US seems to think it will have the edge with these new weapons in conjunction with their missile shields.Russia and China have responded by expanding their navies so they can have nuke weapons closer to Western targets.

Can insanity be a collective malady? Graham Richardson years ago gave us an insight into this mentality in relation to winning at all costs."Whatever it takes."

In pursuit of power,humans will sacrifice just about anything or anyone.They lose all grip on reality and their obsessive compulsive disorders over rides good judgement.

Since 2001 Western forces have antogonised Russia and China with their invasion of many countries.The USA has the most weapons by far but will not win a conventional war against the likes of Russia and China.

We will be a nation of first strike because of the US presence here.Both the major parties fall over themselves in wanting to please US interests.Both Malcom Fraser and Paul Keating,two ex-PM's have warned us about this US policy of encircling China and Russia.
Posted by Arjay, Wednesday, 7 November 2012 6:43:25 AM
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