But, Hasbeen, even "righties" are happy for their medical bills to be paid for by taxes....as you have enlightened us in the past of your own medical procedures being paid for by the public purse.

(tell me if I'm mistaken)

>>The left are stupid<<

But not as stupid as the right:

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Cheers,

Tony

Wonder if Hasbeen has private medical insurance, if so the low paid are subsidizing him !

More taxes are paid by high income earners, so in effect they are subsidising low income earners, not the other way round.

Typical left, with a pincer movement to make sure I'm wrong, what ever I do.

Kipp reckons I'm a crook if I have private insurance, & Poirot wants a bit of me if I use the public health system.

Come on people, do try to get some agreement please.

OH, & if you have forced me to pay for a public health system, don't expect me not to use it. That really is hypocrisy with a capital H.

My own taxes pay for my medical bills Hasbeen, though I do try to minimize them by living a healthy lifestyle. Incredibly it's not just your taxes that pay for the health of the 'undeserving poor'.

By the way are (or were) you actually one of those incredibly hard working selfless, self employed rich ? I been privileged to know few e.g. farmers who bought the farm by shearing sheep and remained active in the community all their lives - conservative voters too.

Maybe like me you were once a humble schoolteacher / civil servant, but I doubt it. (now that's a tough selfless job if ever there was one; I could only hack it for a few years). Seriously though, I think one defining factor between left and right voters is whether they are self employed / in business or work for government, and it's not difficult to see why. But both are equally likely to be conscientious hard workers contributing a lot to society.

It's increasingly clear that many of the rich and most of the very rich got there by mainly by luck, inheritance,(e.g Gina) swindling, deception or a combination thereof.

There are a few exceptional tycoons such as Dick Smith who gives over $100,000 a year to charities. He exhorts his fellow multi-millionaires to do the same but laments the dismally low statistics of wealthy givers.

PS Foyle, liked your point re % of GDP From government sector in France and the US. Maybe the 'socialist' France has been the better place to live at least since 2008?