So Haz, do you believe in any form of anthropogenic climate change?

What about the massive changes that our foolish species has wrought on the planet, in the form of land-clearing, deforestation, massively changed transpiration, infiltration and runoff rates, reflectivity, heat nodes over the big cities, methane from grazing animals, and so on?

Do you think that there is absolutely no such thing as AGW. Or ACC, even on a small and localised scale?

But HasBeen, you're not playing the game.

It's an article of faith for Ludwig and Michael that seas will rise, we'll run out of food, the seas will fill with nutrients, there will be locust plagues, our cities will explode, Channel Ten will produce a top rating drama, there will be an Asian invasion of Muslims or a Muslim invasion of Asians and all because of global warming and fornication in a finite world. Did I mention the finite world bit? I'll mention it again - finite world.

There must be an easier way for these guys to get their anti-people party registered if the world really is finite rather than spoiling this blog with their madness.

Luddy, I'm a product of my times. A paddock full of woody weeds where once was good pasture, is vandalism to me.

During my years in the tropics, where everywhere is jungle or tree plantation an incredible need to look out over an open paddock developed. I went for a drive out to the riverina when I got back to Sydney.

Mostly man only improves, unless he's a greenie. When I heard a farmer refused a permit to clear regrowth, [actually woody weed invasion], from what was our treeless plain, when white man arrived in Oz, I knew that Greens were totally disgusting.

Do you ever watch Time Team old mate? When you see them unearth an old Roman fort from a grassy paddock you know that what we do is so minor as to be totally irrelevant.

When you walk through a major WW11 base in the islands, & have trouble finding the airstrip or the machine shed bases, just 25 years later, greenies have trouble to convince you that nature is "fragile".

From my studies of the subject mate, CO2 can not add more than 0.5 C to the temperature, no matter how much you put up there. As I said elsewhere, above 10% humidity, CO2 has no effect. I could be wrong, after all I was once, but I doubt it. I took quite a while looking for the truth. I know if I lived in northern Europe, I would be disappointed it would not do more.

Sure Urban heat island is a huge effect. There is no way custard apples & mangoes would have produced in much of Brisbane before settlement. A good thing perhaps, but on a planetary scale, nothing.

Perhaps we could start with some form of definition for 'sustainability'?
Another of those loose, 'feel good' terms invented by the UN power brokers now that the ole 'climate change' fiasco is running off the rails, thanks to the persistent good sense and sound scientific principles espoused by the likes of Hasbeen and others here.

Good point re the recovery of WWII airstrips, I too have seen the insistence of mother nature reclaiming her own.

I once lived in the Tasmanian HYDRO town of Bronte Park.
Returning there some 20 years later, I was unable to locate either the house or street where I lived. The terrestrial biosphere, like the coral reefs are literally 'as tough as old boots'.

Now Cheryl, i had to smile at yor post, but not too hard on the 'anti-people' folk, where else can we get such a laugh.

Andrew, your article, whilst well written from a literary point of view, is essentially flawed by your strange notion of climate change determining our future. It will change, as it always has, but I think you will find that my grand children, a smart lot, will adapt, as I have. I would almost think that Jon J has met them, he has as much faith in them as I do.

Perhaps Michael Crighton described sustainability best: "I've got mine, stuff you Jack".
The old chestnut "what about my childrens children" is starting to sound a bit like the boy who cried wolf.
If AGW believers truely believed, they would walk the walk and decentralise.
Lifes too short to be wasting it in front of a computer, I-phone.
Rural lifes grand.
When the day dawns on those well meaning but hopelesly ill informed "greens", that they are just puppets for big business, it will be a hollow feeling indeed.

<< Sure Urban heat island is a huge effect. >>

Ahh so you DO believe in some form of anthropogenic climate change, Hazza.

<< From my studies of the subject mate, CO2 can not add more than 0.5 C to the temperature, no matter how much you put up there. As I said elsewhere, above 10% humidity, CO2 has no effect. I could be wrong, after all I was once, but I doubt it. >>

Yes you could be wrong. It is possible! And it is good that you can see this possibility.

So, you can see some human impact on climate, and you do not have total confidence that you are right about CO2.

Well then, you surely cannot outrightly condemn AGW as bunkum, as you are so wont to do!

You should be a sceptic, not a denialist !! !!

So then, as I have put to you quite a few times; you should be agreeing that we should act on the side of caution, which means taking action as though AGW is real, and serious!

Or more to the point, we should be taking action on sustainability and peak oil / changing energy economics, which would largely mean addressing AGW inadvertently.

You’re with me about population growth. So you’ve therefore surely got to be with me about sustainability, more or less, I presume?

So come on over to the right side of this debate – stop denouncing AGW. Step past it and into the wonderful world of sustainability lobbying!! Tis a lot of fun…. and infinitely more meaningful! ( :>)