Cohenite - and denialism is not a cult? I suggest your ego and delusion has lead you and all denialists into a sort of fairyland - you know better than the hundreds of mainstream university science institutes, space organizations and science publications. Not one of these bona fide bodies agrees with your wacky claims.

Only a cult needs to use dodgy data, hide trends and suppress the opposition. The only group that fits the bill are the Global Warmists who are marinating in upper and middle-class welfare (please no "points of order" that it is climate change).

Dear Rosy1 it is not mothballs that matter but the undead spinning reserves required by the these highly immature generation technonlogies. X renewables is minus Y for spinning reserves less Z for hardening of the distribution system for irratic supply. The core weakness is energy storage, which is on top of the great weakness of unstable generation. Till there is, there can be no effective solar or wind; the only "problem is" such technologies mean that coal or gas systems then could be run at peak efficiency all the time significantly cutting their costs even further.

So Roses1, in response to my claim that AGW is a cult you resort to authority and the mythical consensus to rebut the claim that you belong to a cult; you believe in AGW which is secretive, seeks to oppress individual rights and has regular brainwashing meetings of its adherents [see Al Gore's 'training' for instance]; all characteristics of cults.

AGW uses magical instruments, computer modelling, to interpret reality, and when actual observations of reality contradict the models, AGW discards or changes the observations.

AGW, like all cults also takes the high moral ground and invests its adherents with a noble and grand mission and vision, in this case saving the world.

Cults also derive their ideology from past cults and religious forms; AGW, for instance is a re-run of the Eden myth; Eden said the world was a stable paradise until man learnt too much; AGW says the world was a paradise until man used fossil fuels. In both the Eden myth and AGW man has to renounce the evil methods he has used to arrogantly rise above God's/nature's wise limits.

Like all cults AGW demands complete obedience and especially financial support to achieve its goal; its goal is a perfect balance between nature and man; since that goal is unrelisable it is the perfect business model; AGW will be making demands for money to solve the unsolvable forever.

AGW is a cult; it's scientists are its high priests, governments like the current corrupt Australian one are in on the racket, and people like you are just saps.

Roses1,

What is clear from your feeble response is that you have very little concept of power engineering nor have sufficient comprehension abilities to provide a cogent response.

For example:"Shadow know that excess CO2 is a pollutant, but you try to kid the gullible (through such means as those weird AEM and 'wind farm' websites) that it's no problem"

Rubbish, I made no such comment. I am fully aware of AGW and its consequences, however, as a power systems engineer I find your renewables crusade technically and economically ineffectual.

Also: "Shadow - you claim you are an engineer but refuse to acknowledge that x% of energy generated by renewables means x% less fossil fuels used and nearly that percentage less CO2 emitted"

Also complete bollocks, I said nothing of the sort. I said that the base load plant will still have to be run and maintained. Comments such as "I couldn't give a fig how many old coal plants they keep in mothballs" show a complete naivety as to what is required to keep a plant on standby.

PS, Other than hydro electric plants (or small scale remote stations), there are no renewable power plants in the world that are commercially competitive without huge dollops of taxpayers' money.

I gave the wrong take up figures a couple of days ago. The real figure for residential solar is 1.5 million in operation. Turnbull set this in motion, and Costello backed it up with thousands in subsidy.
Cheap as chips now for panels. Industrial rooftop arrays will come into being, makes economic sense. Whether that is rented space for an investor or private owned

"Cheap as chips now for panels. Industrial rooftop arrays will come into being, makes economic sense."

579; you are obviously from another planet; for anyone who is interested in how wrong 579 is about the economics of solar panels and FITs, read this:

http://papundits.wordpress.com/2012/08/11/residential-rooftop-solar-power/