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Palestine: Australian political interference dressed up as humanitarian aid : Comments

By David Singer, published 18/7/2012

Why would Australia risk spending money in an area where it could possibly see the small population living there being declared as squatters and ordered by the Courts to move?

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To csteele:

Sorry this article makes you "puke".

Quite frankly your continuing failure to answer the following questions specifically addressed to you makes me puke:

1. "Do you know the term "Palestinians" does not include Jews,non-Arab Christians and any other secular non- Arab citizens?

2. If you do - how can you object to my use of the term "Palestinian Arabs" to clarify and identify who the "Palestinians" are?"

3. Do you consider the following article 20 of the PLO Charter to be racist?

"The Balfour Declaration, the Mandate for Palestine, and everything that has been based upon them, are deemed null and void. Claims of historical or religious ties of Jews with Palestine are incompatible with the facts of history and the true conception of what constitutes statehood. Judaism, being a religion, is not an independent nationality. Nor do Jews constitute a single nation with an identity of its own; they are citizens of the states to which they belong."

4. What is the area that is controlled by the PLO or Hamas or the Palestinian Authority that "harbours" 500000 Jews and what rights have been conferred on those 500000 Jews by the Palestinian Arabs?

5. What is the area of the State of Palestine?

6. Who is the current Prime Minister of Palestine?

7. What is the capitol of Palestine?

8. If there is a state of Palestine - why are the Palestinian Arabs still claiming to be stateless and homeless?

After your latest effort continuing your on going refusal to deal with the central theme of this article or my earlier articles - you might like to also answer the following additional questions:

9. Do you support the Australian Government and aid agencies squandering millions of dollars funding illegal building activities in Area C of the West Bank?

10. Do you agree it would be more prudential and responsible for the Australian Government and aid agencies to to fund legally approved building activities in Area C of the West Bank?

Can you address these issues - not me?
Posted by david singer, Thursday, 19 July 2012 9:20:20 AM
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#To Marilyn Shepherd

The Jews aren't squatters.

They were given the legal right to reconstitute the Jewish National Home in Palestine pursuant to the San Remo Conference, the Treaty of Sevres, the Mandate for Palestine, article 80 of the UN Charter and Security Council Resolution 242.

The Palestinian Arabs have never accepted this body of international law. Their decision has brought them nothing but grief.

When they do - resolving the conflict might be able to be realised

#To Ron and csteele

Believe what Arab leaders say - if you don't believe me:

1.King Abdullah - 12 April 1948:

"Palestine and Transjordan are one, for Palestine is the coastline and Transjordan the hinterland of the same country"

2. Prince Hassan - 2 February 1970:

"Palestine is Jordan and Jordan is Palestine; there is one people and one land, with one history and one and the same fate"

3. Sherif Al-Hamid Sharaf - 11 June 1973:

"The new Jordan, which emerged in 1949, was the creation of the Palestinians of the West Bank and their brothers in the East. While Israel was the negation of the Palestinian right of self- determination, unified Jordan was the expression of it"

4. Article 2 of the PLO Charter:

"Palestine, with the boundaries it had during the British Mandate, is an indivisible territorial unit."

The PLO and the Palestinian Authority have been the preferred Arab negotiating partners for the last 19 years. It has proven to be a complete waste of time - and too many Jews and Arabs have been killed or traumatised by injuries in the process.

Jordan now needs to step up to the plate to decide with Israel the division of sovereignty in the tiny piece of land called the West Bank - just 1/12th the size of Tasmania - that separates them.

If you need any more similar statements to show why Jordan is Palestine and should be Israel's new negotiating partner- I will be happy to oblige.
Posted by david singer, Thursday, 19 July 2012 10:07:50 AM
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Dear reader,

Mr Singer is again trotting out his deflection technique mainly deployed when he is face with attempting to defend the indefensible. I have found through a long period of replying to his strident demands that answering one question only invites five more in its place.

Mr Singer freely asserts the State of Palestine exists “Both Israel and Palestine have been recognized as legitimate States - Israel in 1948 and Palestine in 2011.” (Singer May 2012) but he will not acknowledge the illegal nature of the occupation or even the fact there is an occupation.

What he is essentially asking us Australians to do is to ignore the plight of the Palestinian Villagers who have already had their homes razed five times, in 1985, 1991, 1997 and twice in 2001 and face yet another eviction this year. Why? Because the settlement, while on Palestinian land, is deemed illegal, not by us mind you nor the rest of the global community, but only by a pathological Israeli government and of course Mr Singer.

Well we are capable of recognising acts of bastardry and this is a shining example. For any of us to condone the actions of the Israeli Government in this instance would bring into question our commitment to a fair go. The Australian government should be telling the Israeli Government to back off and let us tend to what we have rightly identified as a humanitarian need. Our willingness to assist the downtrodden and oppressed is part of what makes this a great nation. The likes of Mr Singer and his agenda only serve to denigrate both us Australians and the Israeli population.
Posted by csteele, Thursday, 19 July 2012 1:10:23 PM
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To csteele

1. You make the following false and misleading statement:

"Mr Singer freely asserts the State of Palestine exists “Both Israel and Palestine have been recognized as legitimate States - Israel in 1948 and Palestine in 2011.”

What I said was:

"Both Israel and Palestine have been recognized as legitimate States - Israel in 1948 and Palestine in 2011.

What is required in international law for statehood is effective control of territory - borders are unnecessary.

I believe Palestine does not qualify to be a state because it does not meet all the conditions laid down in the Montevideo Convention 1933.

However the 194 states in UNESCO do not agree with me. So until their decision is reversed or found by a Court to be unlawful - it stands - but they must be prepared to accept the consequences flowing from their decision to achieve the two-state solution outside the Oslo Accords and the Bush Roadmap."

This is certainly not a free assertion by me that the State of Palestine exists and for you to state so is false and misleading.

2. You seem strangely silent in commenting on the Arab quotations I posted relating to Jordan is Palestine. Any reason?

3. You seem to to have answered two of my ten questions addressed to you.

It would appear that you have no objection to the Australian Government and aid agencies pouring millions of dollars into illegal building projects in Area C of the West Bank that face the risk of being demolished and when confronted with that prospect "telling the Israeli Government to back off and let us tend to what we have rightly identified as a humanitarian need."

If I have misrepresented you - please feel free to correct me.

Don't you think it would be more prudential and fiscally responsible for Australia to ensure that any projects it funds are legally approved before building commences - especially in an area that is so volatile and sensitive as Area C of the West Bank?

4. When can I expect answers to the eight outstanding questions?
Posted by david singer, Sunday, 22 July 2012 1:43:44 PM
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The Romans left us with a problem when in the early first century they
drove the Jews out of Israel.

The Arabs say they have been there for over a thousand years and the
Jews say they have been there for three thousand years.
In one case they are claiming an area because there is a Synagogue
that has been there since something BC.

I suspect that this is an impossible to adjudicate problem and can only
be solved by force of arms.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 23 July 2012 3:27:00 PM
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To Bazz

I cannot agree with you that force of arms is the only way to resolve the 130 years old conflict between Arabs and Jews.

However if you are right - doesn't that make Australia's policy to invest in West Bank Arab illegal building projects - indeed in any legally approved projects - even more fiscally irresponsible?

I wonder if Australian aid monies are similarly employed anywhere else in the world. I would be very surprised if this was happening.

Seems strange that no one wants to discuss Australia's policy of funding illegal Arab building in Area C of the West Bank.

Has everyone had a sudden attack of writer's cramp?
Posted by david singer, Monday, 23 July 2012 5:21:49 PM
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