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By Tom Clark, published 11/7/2012What if Malcolm Turnbull reversed Billy Hughes and Joe Lyons and joined the Labor Party as leader?
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Posted by Raycom, Thursday, 12 July 2012 11:15:39 AM
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Hasbeen writes
'I am disgusted with myself that for years I took the word of these con men as gospel.' Thats exactly how many will feel when they have their eyes opened to the evolution con. That is what turned true science into a religion. Thankfully many have already seen through the fantasy/religion/deceit or whatever else you want to call it. Posted by runner, Thursday, 12 July 2012 12:22:18 PM
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Yeah Poirot, don't be shy. Table the evidence. Go on, I dare ya.
PS evidence about climate change, supplied by climate scientists, does not qualify as evidence. (?) How about this: Fossil Fuel usage: coal: 53,000,000 barrels (oil equivalent) every day oil: 84,000,000 barrels every day Natural gas: 19,000,000 barrels (oil equivalent) every day. Total daily: 156,000,000 barrels of oil equivalent converted from an underground resource into pollution, mostly atmospheric, every day. More than 56,940,000,000 barrels a year, producing 21.3 billion tonnes of CO2, and still growing. Nah. How could that piddling little amount possibly make a difference? Posted by Grim, Thursday, 12 July 2012 12:23:35 PM
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Good on ya, Runner.
There you go, Hasbeen. Anyone stupid enough to believe in AGW, is also stupid enough to believe in Evolution. Couldn't agree more. Posted by Grim, Thursday, 12 July 2012 12:30:27 PM
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Hasbeen,
Email - schmeemail....http://climatesight.org/2010/11/17/the-real-story-of-climategate/ "We have studied their arguments and found them wanting......" As if you're some sort of authority on the subject (not). How's your "maths" on evolution? You could confirm runner's con theory with your expertise. Posted by Poirot, Thursday, 12 July 2012 2:57:55 PM
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Dear Poirot,
Just a small reminder by the economist Tor Hundloe: "On issues which require radical solutions that are likely to harm vested economic and political interests, censorship has always existed. For example in Australia in 2006, leading climatologists with the country's pre-eminent public research organisation, CSIRO, were forbidden by the organisation's management from publicly discussing the implications of climate change." "Management was acting on behalf of the government. And Australia is one of the standout countries in terms of human development status. In 2006, the Australian Government's position was to cast doubt on global warming and refuse to enter into UN agreements such as the Kyoto protocol." "With the release of the Stern Report on climate change, the Australian Government's position had changed - yet the Prime Minister remained half-hearted about a commitment to counter global warming." Remember that Galileo was put under house arrest by the Vatican for saying that the earth moved around the sun. In fact, in 1633 the Church made him recant his theory of the universe. Little has changed over the years when ignorance and vested interests are confronted by scientific facts. New ideas, instead of being welcomed for the opportunities they open up for the improvement of the human lot, are threats to those who've become comfortable in their ideologies (religious or otherwise). Look at how long its taken for the dangers of tobacco to be recognised - finally. The Tobacco industry was a powerful lobby group - but then so are the "smokestack" industries. Posted by Lexi, Saturday, 14 July 2012 6:20:31 PM
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Do not be shy. Share that evidence with us. Table the scientific papers that document that evidence.
PS IPCC climate models do not qualify as scientific evidence.