"Like the poor white trash in the south after the defeat of the Confederacy in the American Civil War,
the eco-fascists think of immigrants (and refugees) as freed black slaves – they consider them with envy
and contempt."

"what's their view of an upstart whitey telling them"

"Isn't it curious that people with names such as Bourke (Irish), Liardelli (Italian) and Kanck (German)
now want to stand on our northen shores and push the boats back with a big stick? I'm alright Jack!"

Wow Cheryl!

You read rather like a racist with a large chip on her shoulder and who wishes to punish the 'whiteys' with heavy non-white immigration.

What, did you have a bad experience at school or something?

I encountered an Italian lady on QandA forum where this proved (by her own words) to be the case after a bit of probing.

If this is the case for you Cheryl then you need to rise above any emotional scars that you received during your school days. I am not without my own scars at the hands Greeks and Italian children, but you wont find me advocating increased Anglo-Saxon immigration in order to 'dilute'the influence of Greeks and Italians in Australian society!

And by the way Cheryl, you and Atman et el are rather fond of your strawman arguments about those who support immigration restraint and population stablistion aren't you.

Anti-children, anti-immigrant, facists and eugenecists.......LOL......I have two childen myself for starters.

Wait for it folks......the other favourite strawman argument will shortly follow after this comment about me having 2 children.

Finally, a political party of sanity and reason ! Well done William for whar must have been an enormous effort to register the STABLE POPULATION PARTY .

Best regards,

Ralph ( Bennett )

It seems that every time a vessel carrying asylum seekers arrives on our door step the nation divides along lines of send ’em back, or open the doors to all. It is essentially a response to the symptoms and fails to examine the cause let alone develop a coherent response based on preventing the problems that have created a world refugee catastrophe. Regrettably it is a process aided and abetted by our major political parties and accepted without examination by the media.

Having a refugee policy that does not address the cause of the problem is unsustainable and must eventually be counterproductive.

The main tribulations that cause people to flee their country of their birth are;

War,. Food and Water Shortages and Lack of basic Healthcare and Education services.

It would be fair to say that most of those fleeing Iraq do so because of the war that we so willingly entered. Even citizens of poor nations do not leave home while ever there is some sense of security and the hope of improvement in conditions. There are over 3 million refugees from Palestine living in neighboring countries and they are there largely because the west, including Australia, gave Israel uncritical support. I suspect if they were asked they would say that they would prefer us to support the UN mandates so that they could have a homeland rather than a shattered life as a refugee. The same could be said of those from Tibet, Burma, East Timor, Papua and many other repressed nations. The ruling juntas are in power because of support from the west, when we buy oil, timber, rare earth metals or precious stones we are supporting the corrupt rulers

In other words, it is our economic system that creates much of the conditions that turn people into the 15.2 million classified as refugees, as well as an estimated 43.3 million forcibly displaced and about 1 billion who go hungry every night, very few of which will every find sanctuary in a friendly nation .

dono

Don I can't see there is any middle ground on the illegal immigrant issue.

If you relax your guard and let them in more easily you send a message to hundreds of thousands of wanna be immigrants in Indonesia and Malaysia to 'come on down'.

The current trickle would turn into an uncontrolled torrent with all the economic consequences that this would bring, i.e. social problems and government debt to fund re-settlement services and welfare etc that they will demand.

And how exactly do you fix the political problems in the source countries?

They are sovereign countries and will not take kindly to political interference from Australia.

A message must be sent to the developing world that mass immigration to the west is not the solution to their individual problems. They must be required to demand political change in their own countries, with help from the west where necessary and appropriate, and ifix their own problems.

Mass immigration to the west is neither sustainable nor fair to those from the third world who have already settled in the west and made a life for themselves, let alone those born in the west.

"Err Boylesy, its best to examine the facts before you jump to conclusions. Obviously you mindlessly support
the eco-sustainability driven model of the world, which as I said, is the latest iteration of the discredited
Malthusian principle from the 18th Century. The world population has multiplied numerous times since then yet
there is still more than enough food. In fact, in the past excess food has been dumped at sea"

Thomas Malthus's timing has been discredited but not is prediction.

Perhaps you should read these Atman: http://www.un.org/en/issues/food/taskforce/ and http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/nov2010/food-n27.shtml

The secretary general of the UN no less is concerned about a likely global food crisis, along with many
other high level officials in the UN.

More than enough food......clearly not unless ou believe the UN is part of a global anti-people conspiracy!

Excess food dumped at sea.....would you like to provide some evidence for that Atman......how do we know that
it is nothing more than here say?

"The problem for both you and the author is that neither of you want additional people in this country, yet you
wish to distance yourselves from Tony Abbott, who wants to stem the flow of boat people, just as you do. The
squirming is interesting to watch. My question is how can you guys be 'compassionate' when you don't want
babies or immigrants?"

Strawman arguments!

None of us oppose immigration, merely population growth.
And a policy of zero net population growth does not exclude an annual immigration intake.

I wish to distance myself from Tony Abbott because Tony Abbott does not support zero net population growth.
He bleats about stopping the boats while he would undoubtedly increase the skilled immigration intake to appease
the Coalition's big business donors, who wish Australia's population to be 30 million or more.

Most of us a very compassionate. We would support an increase in our annual humanitarian intake while massively
reducing skilled immigration intake, for an over all reduction in our immigration intake.

There is a clear misunderstanding with the interchangeable term : "boat people","asylum seekers' and illegal immigrants. Lets be honest for change and speak our minds after all we are a democratic country and have the freedom of speech. Whatever these people are they are breaking Australian Law, given the fact they part with huge sums of money, not going through the right channels is a concern . We are not asking the right questions, Where or where does this end? Can the Australian tax payer continue to cover all costs of detention and processing let alone the essential everyday costs? If we are serious about sustainable population then we need to improvise all measures across the board. Australia is not a multicultural country, there is underlying evidence that supports this. Do we end up going down the same road as the UK, where enclaves are formed?WThe world has enough problems and so has this country without adding any more to it.