What would be good is if they stuck to the law instead of making policy changes that are detrimental.

Like ASIO being unaccountable to anyone over the lives of people who are refugees and prima facie no threat to anyone but can face life in jail without a single review.

Even the small children currently caught up in this nonsense.

They claim it is because the people were tamil tigers but the tigers are done so why punish people for losing a civil war?

And it would help if the MSM would get it through their thick skulls finally that helping refugees in law is not people smuggling, it is nothing to do with people smuggling and everything to do with people who need transport to escape hell.

Both major parties are prepared to waste
$1 billion a year on this nonsense because they all want to pander to the lazy racists and rednecks.

Given that about 600 people have drowned at sea attempting to come to Australia since the pacific solution was removed (more than came from 2002 to 2002 by boat), it would that the pacific solution was by far the most humane. It stopped the boats, and the deaths at sea.

What nonsense it is to suggest that stopping people seeking safety is humane.

Let's make all people stay in bushfires in case they burn their feet escaping.

Now for some facts:

1. "SEIVX drowned with 353 aboard but the AFP had a spy working for them with the organiser as we have finally got confirmed - AFP could have stopped them when they saw the boat was unsafe but chose not to.
2. in 13 years about 500 refugees have drowned but 117 million kids have died of starvation, 1 million or so Iraqis have been blown to bits, hundreds of thousands of Äfghans are dead, thousands of Pakistanis died in earthquakes and floods, and thousands of Australian's have drowned.

Howard did not stop any boats, all he did was break the law and destroy lives.

Marylin,

"Howard did not stop any boats, all he did was break the law and destroy lives." Is a bald faced lie.

The numbers before the pacific solution were about 4000 p.a. and directly after dropped to below 100 p.a. As soon as the pacific solution was revoked, the numbers ramped up from about 100 p.a. to 5000 p.a. The figures are available from the department of Immigration unless you think they are lying too?

Also perhaps you could point out what Australian Law Howard broke, cause no one else can.

<<Labor better but not best for refugees>>
Surely the template should be, who is better/best for Australia.

As they were repeatedly warned that people would die with the removal of the successful Pacific Solution are not Gillard / Rudd be guilty of reckless indifference causing death?

No Mackie, because to be forcibly sent to anywhere but here is illegal and they have to get here before they can be forcibly sent somewhere else.

Are the people here really cretins or just don't think?

In 2007, when Rudd took over the helm, there were only 4 boat people in detention. What we have now is a complete collapse of border control since the pacific solution was removed. We have had more suicides in detention since 2008 than we had boat people drowning from 2002 to 2007.

Labor has blood on its hands.

Certainly there are fools here Marilyn, they are those who cannot understand consequences. Encourage leaky boats > people drown (complex?); prevent orderly movement from camps, reduce acceptability of increased true refugee arrivals. Remember feeling good is not doing good.