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Losing our balance in 'Fortress Australia' : Comments

By George Williams, published 28/9/2005

George Williams argues Australia runs the risk of a series of overreactions with new anti-terrorism laws.

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Let's follow the logic of the US pulling out of the Middle East.Iraq then decends into all out civil war.Syria,Saudi Arabia,and Iran also get involved.Oil supplies to the rest of the world are cut.China,India and Japan who have no access to oil will starve without it,so they too invade the Middle East.Welcome to WW3.

Sure the US has made a mess of the political system there but without the US as a moderating influence the whole place would errupt into violence.

All George Bush had to do was to control one man called Saddham,who on turn controlled Iraq.Now they have increased terrorism and brought more chaos to Iraq.It is religion that has stuffed the Middle East.So to talk about withdrawal is a nonsense.The UN won't go there since the place is too feral.There is no choice.We have to stick it out and bring some form of democracy there.

The US is not the evil empire since without them the rest of the world would be well into the next world war fighting over the oil.The Bush administration have made serious errors of judgement and George is a fool who has looked for simple solutions to a complex mess.He thought it would be all over with "shock and awe".
Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 29 September 2005 7:34:48 PM
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Reading the Posts there seems to be a strong tendency towards looking for the causes of the current terrorism, which should be good news because none of us need to like the Moslems just because we say it is about time our Anglopholic English speaking triology, Bush, Blair and Howard
should start listening to those who know so much about such problems, our university lecturers.

Call these teachers loonie lefties if you like, but remember one of the cruellest and crazy leaders in recent history, Adolf Hitler, was of the right not the left. Many of the people pushing George W. Bush, also happen to be on the political right, as well as including many of the church groups backing the Republicans are of the right but not the left.

So please let us turn to persons who make a life study of such problems as the world is facing now. Please.

Bushbred
Posted by bushbred, Thursday, 29 September 2005 7:51:28 PM
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plantagenet,

I think it was one of the great Nazi propaganda masters that said something like "all you have to do is tell them they are under attack" and you can do whatever the hell you want (take away civil liberties, etc.)

If the FBI hadn't have obstructed the investigations of John O'Neill who was killed during his first days on the job as security chief of the WTC complex, would these terrorist attacks have happened? How about the Bush family in bed with the bin Ladens, sharing enormous war profits together through the Carlyle Group thanks to 9/11 and the war profiteering? How about the Project for a New American Century paper, written at least a year before 9/11, that called for a "new Pearl Harbour" event to work everyone into a frenzy so their agenda could be pushed through? Did you know that wars are helped and financed by international bankers and corporations because they are good for the economy?

And what about Operation Northwoods, an offical plan concocted by the US military and signed off by the Joint Chiefs of Staff to carry out staged terrorist attacks against Americans to blame on Cuba for the purpose of getting the American public's support for war?

Did you know that America has overthrown at least 50 democratically elected governments in recent history, tried to enforce tyrannical rule of corporations on impoverished third world countries, played games trying to privatise water in some countries, assassinated countless leaders and installed and supported genocidal, tyrannical tin pot dictators?

All this of the kind of government we are supposed to trust and allow them to "protect us" with draconian laws against the terrorism they caused with their own repressive foreign policies and finanical and military support for fanatics through the CIA (among other things)?

Terrorism is a phoney, staged event caused by draconian western powers to frighten the population into submission. Just ask anyone who doesn't live in the west about the "many good deeds" of the British and US governments over the course of history.
Posted by ConspiracyTheory, Friday, 30 September 2005 4:55:51 PM
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Greetings this is the Secretary of War at the State Department of the United States…We have a problem. The companies want something done about this sluggish world economic situation…profits have been running a little thin lately and we need to stimulate some growth…now we know there’s an alarmingly high number of young people roaming around in your country with nothing to do but stir up trouble for the police and damage private property. They’re crawling all over…The companies think it’s time we all sit down, have a serious get-together - start another war…The President? He loves the idea! All those missiles streaming overhead to and fro…Napalm…People running down the road, skin on fire…The Soviets seem up for it…The Kremlin’s been itching for the real thing for years: Hell, Afghanistan’s no fun…So whadya say?…We don’t even have to win this war.…Libya? El Salvador? How ‘bout Northern Ireland? Or a ‘moderately repressive regime’ in South America? We’ll just cook up a good Soviet threat story in the Middle East - we need that oil…Now just think for a minute - we can make this war so big - so big…The more people we kill in this war, the more the economy will prosper…We can get rid of practically everybody on your dole queues if we plan this right. Take every loafer on welfare right off our computer rolls…Now don’t worry about those demonstrators - just pump up your drug supply. So many people have hooked themselves on heroin and amphetamines since we took over, it’s just like Vietnam. We had everybody so busy with LSD they never got too strong. Kept the war functioning just fine…It’s easy. We’ve got out college kids so interested in beer they don’t even care if we start manufacturing germ bombs again. Put a nuclear stockpile in their back yard, they wouldn’t even know what oit looked like…So how ‘bout it? Look - war is money. We all agree the time has come for the big one, so whadya say?!?…that’s excellent. We knew you’d agree…The companies will be very pleased.
Posted by its not easy being, Friday, 30 September 2005 7:27:45 PM
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Conspiracy and "its not easy"

I'm just waiting for the day when your posts are not dominated by America and CIA plots of the past.

We are talking about Australia today.

How about talking about Australia's conditions and needs in a bit of detail.

Do you realise that you are usually repeating the theories of paranoid Americans. Thats often their way of biting the hand... .

But our frame of reference does not need to be completely derivative of American sources.

Try it - think independently.
Posted by plantagenet, Saturday, 1 October 2005 11:21:44 AM
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plantagenet, these are not "theories" of paranoid Americans. They are facts. Go read a history book or something. Do you doubt America overthrowing left governments? Operation Northwoods? The plans of the psychopaths who are in the White House right now?

As for Australia's needs, America is looking after us very well thank you. They've dragged us into a war for imperialism and the New American Century, and forced their crap on us through the free trade scam.

Honestly, you need to drop the "you're a conspiracy theorist" line and read up on what the American psychos really want for the world.
Posted by ConspiracyTheory, Saturday, 1 October 2005 2:33:01 PM
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