Once they wake up to the fact that the Greens are not tree-huggers, but science and economics illiterate, amoral, anti-population, anti-development, anti-Australian and extreme-Left, it is not surprising that people are turning away from the Greens. It is pertinent that the Greens did not make any headway in the Queensland election. The Greens'autumn is well underway.

And Raycom, you omitted from your list, the "Greens" obsession with support for rampant homosexuality!

According to my heraldic dictionary, 'rampant' means 'standing on the left hind foot'. I'm intrigued, Dan -- why is that kind of homosexuality so much worse than any other? And come to think of it, what's wrong with it ANY way, as long as it doesn't frighten the horses?

The Greens are in the fortunate position of being able to be right on social issues, precisely because they don't have to win a majority of votes to exercise power.

Fanciful stuff.

The movement of voters in the future will follow a much more complex pattern.

Labor voters will be disaffected by Labor's greening. They will vote for the party which is enviromentally closest to their enviromental concerns and who is closest to producing economic outcomes beneficial to themselves... instead of following the traditional patterns of simply switching to minor third parties aligned with Labor.

Labor and the Greens will both lose in this senario. It's what has occurred in QLD where disaffected Labor voters fled to LNP and Katters Australa Party (Which has mostly traditional Coalitional values and which will vote with the Coalitional).

The Greens economic views have been highlighted recently and are so on the nose, reasonable votes will reject them. Labor's economic alignment with some of the Greens more costly policies will result in those disaffected Greens voters switching to a party that embraces some reasonable enviromental but less costly values and to a Party they feel they can trust.

In Campbell Newmans time in the Brisbane City Council he adopted many enviromentally savvy policies and actions, that were acceptable to Greens, Labor and Liberal voters.

If the same types of policies and actions were to become part of Tony Abbott's appeal to voters then it is 'all over red rover' for the Greens and the other socialists federally.

Wipeout time is here.

Thanks Jon J, that says it all about the morality of the greens.

You believe there is nothing wrong in inflicting your policies, that of a very few, on the majority, who find them most distasteful.

Time to step back & look at yourselves. Do it quickly, as the voters are going to beat on you very hard if you continue taking them for fools.

For the ALP, the Independents and the Greens this is all academic. It’s too little, too late, too irrelevant, too toxic and too “it’s all over”.

Even if the Greens are able to maintain current electoral support, which is doubtful, it cannot help them. Their trend line is at best flat and at worst in decline. The Australian public is learning more of Greens policy and the loss of Bob Brown’s “personality” can only draw the eye more to policy, then there is no upside for Christine Milne.

On current polling there will be a significant loss of left wing votes from all previous sources, ALP, Green and Independents. This means that there will be much fewer preferences in percentage terms to flow around. Next there is the changed trend in preference flows, which all add up to annihilation.

These are the political realities that will see the loss of any Greens representation in the lower house and the loss of balance of power in the upper house. If the half senate election won’t fix it a double dissolution most certainly will.

The political landscape is now changed for several generations and there is absolutely nothing the current coalition in government can do about it.

The really soul destroying thing for the rusted on supporters, is to ask them this question of those who do not currently support this government;

What can YOU suggest that this government could do to win the next election?

Remember, this is not a question for the converted ALP, Greens and Indies, only for the non-converted.

We are waiting for your suggestions, we are here to help.

I agree with other posters who see the article as fanciful? The Labour party are the authors of there own demise. They have been infiltrated by a conservative fiscal dry element, which has taken new Labour further to the right than Bob Menzies Liberals! Green policies appeal, but in most cases are the product of a party, which will likely never ever govern or become fully responsible for funding or economic outcomes?
What is wrong with genuine equality for those, who through a clear and unequivocal aberration of birth, rather than any element of choice, are born as Homosexuals. I prefer evidence based science rather than that of belligerent blinkered brainwashed bigots, with their ingrained but highly flawed belief systems, which they cling to like security blankets?
Only because, I believe, if they accepted the scientific studies that prove both Heterosexuality and Homosexuality is decided by nature and in the womb, they would no longer be able to justify their errant behaviour or quite blatant discrimination against the latter.
Some of which is gay bashing, which has morphed into less obvious forms, like a fear based refusal to provide adequate or equal medical assistance, some of which could have terminal consequences?
Fundamental bigotry and or religious based prejudice is still alive and kicking in a still incomprehensibly ignorant bush; albeit, progressively changing as evidence based medical science slowly trickles down?
The Labour party will simply have to accept more internal democracy, if it would halt and reverse the slide in the opinion polls or its future prospects; or, a bleeding of it former traditional support base to other parties or Independents. Moreover, it will need to divorce itself from the big end of town and return to the only support base, which will guarantee it actually has a future. Rhrosty.

Rhosty, for goodness sake, take another tablet.

You have touched upon every raw nerve topic that ever kept you awake at night, reading your posts is like drinking from a fire hose of an emotional thesaurus. Whoa there!

You weave together a veritable raft of ideological phrases without context, relevance or content. Do you really expect OLOer’s to digest this rot?

Let me explain in your own words.

It is clear that we have been “infiltrated by a conservative fiscal dry element” and that “Green policies” generate “appeal funding or economic outcomes” that manifest as an “unequivocal aberration of birth”. That some people “prefer evidence based science” as the protesting of “belligerent blinkered brainwashed bigots” rather than “ingrained but highly flawed belief systems”.

It is clear from your response that you support “Heterosexuality and Homosexuality” as “decided by nature and in the womb”, rather than “errant behavior” and anything less would be “quite blatant discrimination against the latter”.

According to your philosophy, “fundamental bigotry and or religious based prejudice” is the key to heaven yet it is “still incomprehensibly ignorant in the bush”. We also understand that, “The Labor party will simply have to accept more internal democracy” as opposed to some sort of imposed what? The externally imposed non-democratic impasse negotiated at the expense of the Australian electorates by the Greens and complicit Independents? Perhaps you are qualified for an injection rather than oral medication?

You really do need to speak openly and honestly with someone you can trust, preferably someone psychologically trained. You also need to throw away the Marxist/Leninist/Trotskyite/Socialist “poetry” from which you draw your diatribe and take firm grasp on reality.

If you are as emotionally ill as I suspect, I am so sorry, but don’t keep exposing your illness on OLO. We are not part of your therapy and cannot help you.

Rhrosty when the entire left combined in Queensland can't man/womam a net ball team, let alone a cricket team, what on earth makes you think that moving left would increase the Labor vote. Canberra will go the same way, if you continue to help.

With Labor & Greens taken over by an academic/elite lefty movement, only the few like Belly still hang on to any hope of their recovery to a balanced position of the party of old.

Now, after your last rant you will have lost anyone even leaning towards your arrogant position. I may be a belligerent bigot, & proud of it I might say, but it is from academia that come the brainwashed & blinkered.

But to show you how kind we bigots really are may I suggest some reading. A bloke by the name of Dale Carnegie wrote this book a while back. It's probably not too fashionable in your exalted circles, but from your last post, let me assure you it should be.

If anyone needs to know "How to Win Friends & Influence People" it is most definitely you, & the rest of your arrogant mates. The term educated ignoramuses comes to mind so often with posts on here, but mate, the prize is well & truly yours after that one.

Hasbeen, you are a terrible, terrible person, just like me. You persistently call it the way it is, you are a vile person for not seeing the ideological value in the socialization of anything related to numbers.

You should by now understand that two and two do in fact make 1.785. Why? Because if you divide two by the socio-economic responsibility of big business, then divide by the product of two multiplied by the “social responsibility” of the Banking sector, the answer will inevitably be a), an ALP/Union solution from Belly predicated on the interdependence of FWA and the government and 2) the sociological preferences of the ALP/Greens/Indies as represented by academia and the MSM.

So, Rhosty represents anything that is not related to reality, not related to the polling numbers, nothing related to even ALP commentary and definitely nothing related to recent state election results or the changed reality of Greens leadership. All of which have absolutely no bearing on political reality. How stupid are you?

Join the club and welcome.

Do the Greens really support 'rampant' homosexuality'?

In what context ?

'Flourishing or spreading unchecked'?

What do the other parties do to 'check' homosexuality or stop it from flourishing? What's the difference in policy?

or 'Violent or unrestrained in action or performance'

That's how I read it. Do the greens support homosexual people to be more violent and unrestrained in their lovemaking?

How does this affect someone who likes diving?

This all makes me laugh as much as the expression 'rubbing our faces in it'!

My goodness things are getting a bit out of hand.
It's only politics folks. Lighten up.
What ever happened to political debate on issues
that matter without personal insults? Those of us
who are torn between the dessert of mainstream media
and the jungle of the internet - need rational but
diverse views on matters of importance - though
it doesn't look like we'll find it here - judging
from the latest posts.

What a pity.

That is right, it's called foot in mouth syndrome, and it runs in the party.
By the time the next election comes around abbott won't be there.
The carbon tax will be in and everybody will be wondering what happened to all the doomsday predictions.

579

Julia might call the next electionb a lot sooner than you think.

I think she might call it soon after the budget and before the intro of the carbon tax.

Rightwingers always go for soft targets, when the word homosexual is posted, One hopes they do not have a Gay or Lesbian child, as the child will not receive love in their life from such parents.
We wonder why the youth suicide rate is so high, when young gay people have such vitriol thrown at them.

Rightwingers always go for easy targets, when the word homosexual is posted, One hopes they do not have a Gay or Lesbian child, as the child will not receive love in their life from such parents.
We wonder why the youth suicide rate is so high, when young gay people have such vitriol thrown at them.

Does this help, Houellebecq? And as far as I know BTW, I haven't been rampant for years... Re: "This all makes me laugh as much as the expression 'rubbing our faces in it'!"

Surely it's a question of the cliche under discussion… rather than the politics?

Contextually, rubbing our faces in it depends on who is sticking their nose into someone else's business and whether or not the other cheek is being turned. How, from such a position, you can tell whether someone is laughing, probably depends upon whether it tickles your fancy, not theirs.

Kipp I suppose I am one you refer to as a right winger. A bit strange that, when I spent more years than most living a life more hippy than any of the flower people of California.

Let me assure you I have no interest in homosexuals at all. They can do what they like, to whomever they like, with what ever they like, just as long as they don't intrude into my little world, while they do.

While they are being "homosexuals" they bore me silly. When they are being just other people, I'm sure we can get along very well.

If that is not enough for you, you're too greedy.

Much is written about the Labor Partys " Traditional " Base.

This is fast becoming a part of Labor History like "The Light on the Hill" and "the Tree of knowledge"... What remains of the Traditional Voters are now residents of Nursing Homes.

The Generation below them,the Baby Boomers, many of whom (remember "It's Time, Whitlam etc ") were traditional Labor voters, have long deserted Labor. They are most unlikely to return to the fold as they age.

So where does the Labor support come from nowadays ?

A real missmash of areas. I suspect with probably its' greatest area of support comes from First generation recent arrivals to Australia.

Other than this major group, the rest comes from Academia, some Trade Union membership and not much else.

Unless the ALP has a dramatic change in Support , it will end up like (British) Liberal Party.Once a Great,then almost destroyed, now a fringe party with a small but solid support

A term under the Libs will bring people back
to Labor very quickly. The cracks are already
beginning to show under the Liberal governments
in Victoria and NSW. Time will tell - but
don't discount Labor off so quickly.

Talking about cracks appearing with the Liberals, in Queensland they have only just changed the seat covers, and the Liberal Police Minister has been sacked!

yes Kipp,

The now former Police Minister drove while his licence was suspended.

Now the new premier said, that's not the standard I'm applying. He, like all us reasonable voters, reckon Parliamentarians and particularly those in the Executive, are expected to behave impeccably and apply a much higher standard than applies to the rest of us.

Isn't that refreshing? Great leadership, don't you agree?

Compare that with Labor's record of looking after and rewarding all sorts of rorters and crooks.

I reckon if Newman and the LNP continue in this ethical vein they'll be there for generations.

On the other hand you could say he wasn't checked out to well. That is no way a responsible leader should choose his victims.
Hows his 4% unemployment going, and the 1,100 new police.
It will probably take 3 years to settle into the job.

This bloke shouldn't be allowed any where near a road, he is a serial offender going back decades.
Puts newmans judgment in the spotlight somewhat. Goes to show you can't trust your mates.

Ever heard of glass houses 579. Judgement of the character of ministers is not a discussion any Labor supporter should get involved in mate.

I do believe it is only the Labor party in Queensland who have had one leader, & one deputy leader go to jail, convicted of pedophilia. I'm afraid the others have quite a bit of catching up to do in the bad judgement department.

Tell me, is your current leader the result of all that judgement, or merely the best you can do, with the pitiful bunch you've got left? It's a good thing for you that Newman has pioneered the way for you to find a leader before the next election.

Dear Hasbeen,

Neither side of politics has any reason to feel smug
about some of its past and present leaders. And selective
finger-pointing achieves little that's really constructive
or adds anything of value to a political debate. As we all
know - depending on one's political inclinations - one
side will always be the "good guys" whilst the other
side will always be the "villains." Nothing new there.

Perhaps that's why so many voters are flocking to the
Greens. People are sick and tired of the noise
and hyped grandstanding of both parties.
No thinking person can deny that the Greens have
become a force to be reckoned with in the political arena.

The next election should prove to be an interesting one.

I think that an effective party would be one that:

- Was environmentally caring and willing to develop sustainability for the environment,

- Is family focussed and willing to protect the role of father, mother and child.

- Encourage people in their pursuit of financial success and provident living, as well as the moral responsibility to care for those less fortunate and help them make that life for themselves.

- Give business and industries the freedom to run their businesses profitably.

- Protect workers from unlawful conduct by their employers, but not demanding more than the worker is worth or protecting 'bad' employees.

And lower taxes.

Basically I think this would be a party that would do well in any upcoming election, but it doesn't exist because the different existing parties are unwilling to work together with their good points. Or they are half good, half extreme (on both sides)