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Wind jobs falling into a federal black hole : Comments

By Ben Courtice, published 29/3/2012

Those who are serious about addressing Australia's enormous carbon emissions are starting to call for the most successful system, internationally: a Feed-in Tariff.

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Ben Courtice that was the most dishonest post I have ever seen on the net. Are you a either Labor spin doctor, or even worse, a Greenie? I can't believe that anyone could twist facts so completely, & still expect to be treated as if they possessed any integrity.

To suggest that not indexing the excise on fuel is a subsidy, an obvious lie if one actually understands what you are talking about, is bad enough. To then claim that rebating the "road tax" charge from fuel used on farm to run machinery is a fossil fuel subsidy displays your complete lack of a genuine argument of any value.

The fact that this rip off is no longer called toad tax, is just another sign of spin doctors at work.

The fact is that if we were charged the true cost of petroleum fuel, rather than a price dishonestly loaded with massive tax to fund wasteful government, we would all be happily driving big comfortable V8s. This was, until recently, almost the case in the US, but then they were stupid enough to elect a socialist, & are now screaming as they are ripped off, just like us, & the Europeans.

You had best go back to socialists blogs, where the ratbags can gather, & enjoy lying to each other. Too many here are too bright for you & will see straight through your bulldust, & laugh at you.

I could go on, but the rest of your post is so bad, it's not worth the effort.
Posted by Hasbeen, Thursday, 29 March 2012 8:23:16 PM
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Feed-in tariffs are certainly successful at getting renewable energy generating capacity rolled out. Actually reducing emissions...not so much. The first 20% or so of wind-supported grid is easy, beyond that the cost of abatement begins to climb steeply: http://docs.wind-watch.org/Inhaber-Why-wind-power-does-not-deliver-the-expected-emissions-reductions.pdf
Posted by Mark Duffett, Thursday, 29 March 2012 10:33:43 PM
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Wind Mills don't work.CO2 is not a pollutant and is a minor warming gas.Go back to coal for now.New advances in nuclear fission will be the way of the future.
Posted by Arjay, Friday, 30 March 2012 5:19:49 AM
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Wind is irrevocably unreliable; wind cannot sustain the electricity needs of a modern society; some facts:

1 Back-up fossil or nuclear has to be kept running 24/7 to supply electricity when wind fails. Renewables like wind actually increase emissions!

2 Wind fails from minute to minute; this means whatever power wind generates will be both dearer than fossil and therefore not usable.

3 Wind usage figures like 29% for SA are completely misleading; wind is measured in terms of installed capacity which is the output figure if power is being produced 24/7, capacity factor, which is the power actually produced and world wide, averaged over any quarter, is about 20% of the installed capacity; thirdly, what is actually used, after the much cheaper and available fossil is used, is essentially nil. That 29% for SA is the capacity factor and is therefore meaningless.

4 Wind power is only considered because of AGW; AGW is a failed theory; there is NO evidence to support AGW; in fact there is a mass of observational, that is scientific, evidence to disprove it. Given this all 'sustainable', 'renewable' or 'green' energy sources should be left to compete in the market place without the leg-up of the massive subsidisation which has grown under AGW policy.

5 The fossils are not subsidised beyond the tax regime and deductions which all businesses operate under. It is the 'renewables', particularly wind and solar, which are massively subsidised and invariably collapse when that support is removed.

Generally wind and all the 'renewables' are boutiques which do not work; they have cost the economies of many nations dearly, driving them to failure in places like Greece, Italy, Spain etc.

Ultimately, people and groups who advocate wind and the other renewables, including solar, should be held to account if they have benefitted from their advocacy.
Posted by cohenite, Friday, 30 March 2012 8:54:33 AM
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Oh dear the knuckle draggers are out in force, wind power is working just fine and so is solar despite your moaning.

You see nuclear power as 'a fantasy'. How ridiculous. Would you kindly give your reasons for that statement, and please give numbers? eyejaw

Oh dear you want numbers how about taking the wife and kids to pretty cheap houseing in Japan. I would love to see one of these right wing nut jobs put their money where their money is. Move to that little sea side vilage in japan for a year or two. What no takers just more wmoaning about left'e. Thought so, gutless trolls to a man.
Posted by cornonacob, Friday, 30 March 2012 7:36:20 PM
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Taswegian just how much subs do you think the snowy got when it was built. Now you'll need to put your thinking head on that one. you can use cohenite's he/she is clearly not using theirs.

"Failed theory" find me ten climate scientist who would agree. I'll give you a hint Alan Jones is not one.
Posted by cornonacob, Friday, 30 March 2012 7:41:12 PM
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