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WikiLeaks and other reformers: has Machiavelli met his match? : Comments

By Kellie Tranter, published 16/3/2012

What it all comes down to is that the greatest threat to monopolies, oligopolies, plutocracies and to neoliberal capitalism itself is reform.

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It's kind of ironic that the only way to try and stop Machiavellian power is by another form of Machiavellian power. I mean, stopping the neo-liberal agenda can only be done by state power, which is only a substituting of one kind of power for another. Ms Tranter and her supporters may think they occupy a higher moral plane, but they too want to force people to adopt their moral viewpoint, their behaviour, their world outlook, their activities, their power structures. It too would be a hierarchy, but only with Ms Tranter and her supporters occupying the boardrooms, and not the neo-liberals. And, given what the alternative to liberal economics has given us - socialism, communism - I'd far rather live under the neo-liberals than the socialists and communists.
Posted by Aristocrat, Friday, 16 March 2012 3:09:54 PM
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Aristocrat,You miss the point.The neo-Liberal fascists want a NWO under the theme of communism.This has been all brought in under the themes of climate change and over population.Only the World bankers and Wall St can save the planet under their one world govt.They already own Greece and Italy.

Only Libertarians Like Ron Paul,Bill Still,Gerald Celete,Alex Jones,Richard Gage,Max Keiser etc want to give the power back to the people.The Neo-Liberals want war and oppression.
Posted by Arjay, Friday, 16 March 2012 4:46:16 PM
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That's bizarre, Arjay.

>>Only the World bankers and Wall St can save the planet under their one world govt.They already own Greece and Italy.<<

Why on earth would anyone want to own Greece right now? It is a husk of a country that has just reneged on half its debt. What could possibly be attractive to "World bankers and Wall St".

I would have thought they are more likely to walk away with their tails between their legs, and book their losses. Which are not insignificant.
Posted by Pericles, Friday, 16 March 2012 5:36:31 PM
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Pericles,Botox lips and George Clueless are leading the Charge into Africa.The Chinese are in Sudan helping them develop their oil supplies and Botox Lips is in Kony country ie Uganda which BTW China is there the doing mutual investments.220,000 barrels of oil per day come out of Uganda.

China is trying to diversify it's source of minerals and energy.The likes of BHP EXXON,BP and Shell want to monopolise this and hold China captive to their cartels.It's the New World Order pericles,or have you not heard of the name?
Posted by Arjay, Friday, 16 March 2012 7:26:34 PM
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2 points from the article

- I think the 'woman question' made is about the ways so-called feminists have been drawn into existing power structures under the illusion that this will liberate them.

- REFORM is DANGEROUS to the establishment is it? Since when? My impression of the suppression of the Occupy movement was that it was intervened in precisely before it began to argue and organise for any thing much greater than reform of the financial system through existing mechanisms. In the UK we now have some of the churches joining the middle-classes and the erstwhile left politicians in supporting tax reforms and suggesting voting out the neo-liberals. Well I never!

The system we live in is a plutocracy and corrupt to the core. It will not grow into a different tree with a reform-graft - it'll just get a few prettier twigs stuck on for image purposes.

As for successful strategies, starting from where we are rather than from too far into utopian speculation, the things to bear in mind I believe are that money-making depends on public confidence, and industry on public compliance. A traditional socialist aim of workers' control is a bit hard to manifest when service industry and admin are what we mostly have left as options in the west. There is no actual disruption to the powers that be by workers refusing to collaborate in these fields. What we can do is refuse to buy more stuff. This starves the faceless unaccountable corporate machine that controls production from the demand side. So don't buy a new gadget unless you really need it. Make do and mend. Try to become self-employed or work with a smallish company making useful stuff rather than consumer goods. Grow as much food as you can and start to swap goods and work hours rather than sell your time. And get together to resist evictions. They can't beat all of us all of the time if we collectively stand up for ourselves.
Posted by farfromtheland, Saturday, 17 March 2012 4:36:37 AM
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LOL

I have a feeling that very little is going to change.
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Saturday, 17 March 2012 9:55:55 AM
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