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The regressive progressive: ALP future bound by its past : Comments

By Brenton Luxton, published 2/3/2012

Australia should truly fear what lies ahead: progressive politics is heading backwards.

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Labor enunciated certain policies before the last election, that it then ditched, e.g. it broke its promise to not introduce a carbon tax by getting into bed with the anti-development and anti-population-growth Greens; it dropped its promise to stop the entry of illegal immigrants; it no longer opposes same-sex marriage; it brought in a Fair Work Act that lowers productivity by substantially raising the cost of employing labour. This is hardly the way to endear the stakeholders. It simply cannot be trusted.
Posted by Raycom, Saturday, 3 March 2012 10:02:19 PM
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Oh dear I see the liberal party staffers have been hard at work. I even saw a couple of posts by Tony’s Mum.
As has been noted before we get the Pollies we deserve. A reading of the above post shows how one eyed, forgetful and silly most Australian voters are.
One poster has hit is on the head, our political system will be seen as increasingly dysfunctional in this modern world. Easy access to information and a far more linked in society means that political practices of the past (like Spinning) just look stupid. We need to make some big changes and it will most likely look allot more like Austria's system.
None of these much need changes will happen however until the baby boomers are in nursing homes or graves.

P.S. Liberal voters are so funny with their puffed up Julia lied line. How they can ignore such things as never ever, none core promise, and Tony’s if I didn't write in down I didn't really mean it. But get all huffy about Julia.
Posted by cornonacob, Sunday, 4 March 2012 11:35:09 AM
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cornonacob-

You have all the symptoms of the Labor disease; blaming voters for not supporting Labor, trying to explain Labor's problems as symptomatic of the 'political system' as if they are not responsible for their own incompetence, and sectioning off the boomers as responsible for preferring the Libs. Like Labor, its supporters cannot accept responsibility for the Govts bad decisions.

Its not the baby boomers but the latter generations hooked on the 24 hours news cycle which have turned politics into a circus.

Just face the facts, Labor are hopelessly incompetent.
Posted by Atman, Sunday, 4 March 2012 4:59:17 PM
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"Easy access to information and a far more linked in society means that political practices of the past (like Spinning) just look stupid."

Spinning is very much present now. Labor has developed it into a fine art. It is the main weapon in Labor's armoury. For example:

"CO2 is a pollutant." " Climate change is the moral challenge of the century." Australia will be left behind if it does not act now." "The economic effect of the carbon tax will be insignificant." " Clean energy will give Australia an economic advantage." "The green economy will create many thousands of new jobs."

All of the above claims are fallacious.

In fact, the carbon tax has nothing to do with climate. It is a big new tax revenue scam. The polls are against the carbon tax, and the rest of the world is laughing at us.
Posted by Raycom, Sunday, 4 March 2012 10:49:58 PM
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"All of the above claims are fallacious.

In fact, the carbon tax has nothing to do with climate. It is a big new tax revenue scam. The polls are against the carbon tax, and the rest of the world is laughing at us."

Raycom - IF the rest of the world is laughing at us (as opposed to ... I dunno, being incredibly envious our economy isn't in the gutter after the GFC), they're probably laughing at us because we're still debating things that are widely acknowledged as FACT. I'm amazed that people think they're economic and environmental experts just because they have a political opinion. Leave it to the professionals.

And to answer some of your claims, the carbon tax has almost everything to do with the environment, given that a large chunk of the money raised from it is going towards renewable energy sources (you know, the type that doesn't damage the world). Your claim that it is simply a "big new tax" (nice originality there Tony) revenue scam is utter trash, it is designed to offset hardships that lower income earners/small businesses might incur as a result of moving our economy in line with where the REST OF THE WORLD is going.

Atman "Just face the facts, Labor are hopelessly incompetent."

Far out! We're getting a bit loose with the term "incompetent" aren't we? I'd be interested to know, how did you respond to Alexander Downer and Mark Vaile looking the other way when documents sat on their ministerial desks informing them of what would eventually be known as the 'wheat for weapons' scandal? What issues are you contrasting that make Labor look that bad? Wasted money? Any money that was lost through insulation schemes, school halls, whatever, is NOTHING, i repeat NOTHING in comparison to what Australia would have lost had the Rudd government not did what it did when it did. Don't believe me? Ask any government in the world, and they'll tell you how amazed they are at Australia's economy and the handling of that economy during the GFC
Posted by Marc Antony, Sunday, 4 March 2012 11:33:25 PM
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Continued:

Funnily enough I didn't actually come here to argue (or defend Labor).. It's simply unfortunate that this article has attracted your run of the mill liberal supporter (the type that gloss over an article, see that it says labor is bad, then goes on to spew anti-labor nonsense despite it having nothing to do with the article). Because it appeared to me the article was discussing the need for greater democracy, as opposed to say labor's alleged incompetent policy making.

I for one agree that there needs to be greater public involvement in our nations political parties and policy direction. The idea of party members at a public level voting on who leads their party and what policy they take is an EXCELLENT idea, what greater way is there to get people interested in politics than getting them involved in the process!?
Posted by Marc Antony, Sunday, 4 March 2012 11:35:42 PM
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