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Democratic process in tatters : Comments

By Michelle Harris, published 29/2/2012

The Labor leadership contest pushed indigenous rights off the agenda.

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Only a few people from other places attended.... Well I can tell you why. Apart from the fact that we are dealing with very large distances, I live on a "Prescribed Area" and have (as a non-Warlpiri long time resident) attended just about every meeting held here by the Intervention and many other "service agencies". Almost invariably when a Warlpiri person asks a question they get the "that's a very interesting question" treatment, but no answer. Every time a Warlpiri person comes up with an idea they get "that's a very good idea!" or get ignored altogether, or have their idea immediately rejected for some excuse or other. People on these communities have given up attending meetings, they consider them a waste of time. I can't blame them.
The Yuendumu people put in a really good submission to the Stronger Futures Inquiry. A large number of Yuendumu residents enthusiastically put their signatures to it and there was a flurry of discussion (about proposed punishment for non-attendance at school, at the same time as bilingual education is being denied).Now again they will be ignored. Next time they probably won't bother preparing a submission.
Posted by Jungarrayi, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 5:45:34 PM
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In the words of a former indigenous leader who became a pastor according to standard practise when the questions start, once said on radio. "We could be finically independent if the Government gave us more money".
Needless to say his own people rejected him not long after..
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 9:07:23 PM
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Individual,

You're not playing the game :( You know very well that 'self-determination' means maximum dependence on external financial support and service provision, with minimum - or no - political oversight or accountability, forever.

Meanwhile, in 'southern' Australia, many Aboriginal people are getting on with the business of coping with all of the problems that preoccupy other people, taking care of business and trying to get on their feet.

By the end of this year, across the country but mostly in urban areas, there will be close to thirty thousand Indigenous university graduates - mostly from genuinely rigorous courses, Individual, there are not that many who have come through Mickey Mouse courses down this way. There could be another ten thousand Indigenous people with trades qualifications as well. That total (40,000) is one in seven of all Indigenous adults (around 270,000). By 2020, it could be one in five (70,000 out of 350,000).

The positive dynamic in Indigenous affairs is now in the urban areas, not in remote sink-holes. Cities belong to Indigenous people as much as anywhere else. But so many people are quite content to condemn as many Aboriginal people as possible, including the next generation, to miserable and short lives out there in the sticks. The question is: how to give each person out there a fair and informed choice ?

And let all those who want to stay - or move from comfortable city life to remote areas, if their actions ever catch up with their mouths - to do so and stop whingeing.
Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 10:10:05 PM
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another ten thousand Indigenous people with trades qualifications as well.
Loudmouth,
As you said there could be. Problem is there aren't. Not as yet anyway. That is not being sarcastic, it's a sad fact. Only last week I had a long discussion about this with an indigenous pensioner who had to go back to work because none of the younger are reliable enough to front for work.
He & other older people in the communities constantly express their dismay at this situation. Literally hundreds of thousands of Dollars are spent in each community on schemes of training & employment but alas it always ends up as a waste of time & money. The only benefit goes to the bureaucrats who dreamed up those schemes. They get a big Bravo from other ignorant bureaucrats for making it look like progress whilst it is merely progressive regress.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 1 March 2012 6:54:39 AM
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if we had a democracy working properly we would not have a tent embassy in Canberra although I expect its been abandoned with the rain.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 1 March 2012 7:27:16 AM
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VK3AUU reflects the accurate feeling of most Australians, who do not -or have not, live in these communities.

Successive governments are responsible for parlous conditions people in these communities find themselves. Successive governments exempted relevant corporate Land Trusts, entities, from accepting their responsibilities as landlords to their tenants.

Even today a "Traditional Owner" does NOT have right have family live with them or visit them, NO right to exclude others from entering "their" publicly funded homes - unless they given valid leases, which these corporate cowboy Land Trusts refuse.

Despite getting these houses built for these corporate entities with public funds, they refuse to issue their tenants leases because the Commonwealth and State governments let them.

To establish, run and develop businesses we need leases more than qualification certificates - though they help.

Jungarrayi was correct, Parliamentary Committee hearings been ongoing for over hundred years, hearing same problems then hiding them away.

Commonwealth blames racism as the cause, whilst same time claiming its brand of racism is not the problem.

Commonwealth racism is the problem.

Commonwealth racism supports community racism, bigotry and violence, which Yuendumu's ongoing problems demonstrate.

Is time our Commonwealth accepted Australians instructions - at federation then repeated in 1967, that NO legislation in Australia may discriminate between Australians, may qualify the rights or responsibilities of any Australian, using race as a measure.

Commonwealth Attorney-General lies to Australians, to Parliament, whenever purporting NO racial measuring or qualification of rights or responsibilities is happening, it is - all of it by the Commonwealth.

Today, apartheid and segregation remain Commonwealth policy tools.

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Posted by polpak, Friday, 9 March 2012 3:40:11 PM
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