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Energy debates need imagination, public interest and honesty : Comments

By Sam Powrie, published 21/2/2012

The dangers of ignorance and energy

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JonJ, You and others will find a far more coherent report of events in the New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/21/science/earth/activist-says-heartland-climate-papers-obtained-by-deceit.html

Interesting story, alright. NYT says:

"Dr. Gleick denied authorship of the most explosive of the documents, a supposed strategy paper that laid out the institute’s efforts to raise money to question climate change and get schools to adjust their science curricula to include alternative theories of global warming. The Institute asserted that document, which is in a different format and type style from the rest of the Heartland materials, was a fake, but implicitly acknowledged that others were legitimate and vowed to legally pursue those who stole and published them."

Meanwhile No-one's denying anything about Gina R and Lord M, are they?
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3807130.html

Keep me posted, JonJ. Thanks!

Curmudgeon, where did I say anything about peak oil? With your sloppy reading habits, it's no wonder you have no grasp of simple biological and ecological facts and processes.

Growth is not forever, Curmudgeon. All the fracking in the world will not change that - it only puts off the inevitable squeeze, and adds to the effluents in the environment. But if you're an aging curmudgeon, with no descendents, then perhaps you feel that doesn't really concern you.
Posted by Sir Vivor, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 3:55:38 PM
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Geoff of Perth

Never mind Ghandi, we're at that stage in scare stories where the scare part is exposed and the whole thing winds down..

Most of those who believe the scare material in this area still haven't heard that peak oil is dead, so how much longer will it take.. perhaps six months to a year??
Posted by Curmudgeon, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 4:18:01 PM
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Sir Vivor - no, go back and read your original post.. you're talking about finite resources and agreeing with the story, and calling everyone else ignorant.. you deserved to be pulled up.. People have been talking about limits for decades but reserve to production ratios keep on going up, not down.. its you who has to explain..
Posted by Curmudgeon, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 5:28:37 PM
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The Citigroup analysis that Curmudgeon refers to is interesting and seems plausible given what's happened to unconventional gas in the USA. Any of the POers care to comment:

https://www.citigroupgeo.com/pdf/SEUNHGJJ.pdf
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Posted by Rhian, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 7:29:42 PM
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Curmudgeon, of course I am talking about finite resources.

Kindly list all the infinite fossil fuel sources you know of, and I will try to patiently explain your error(s).
Posted by Sir Vivor, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 8:22:11 PM
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Sir Vivor,

You're asking me to believe that a man who stooped giving a false name in order to steal documents -- and is now being stripped of his scientific posts as a consequence -- somehow happened to steal an faked document along with them; a document which incidentally bears a date and time stamp corresponding to the time that the other stolen documents were in his sole possession?

Peter Gleik poses as an expert in 'ethics'; I suppose he was just putting in some practical research in the field?

Pull the other one -- it's got bells on.
Posted by Jon J, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 7:31:36 AM
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