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Why the need for consensus? : Comments

By Petra Bueskens, published 14/2/2012

MTR and the current feminist controversy.

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Looks very much like a bitch-fight between different kinds of nagging fascists. As none of them is in favour of treating men equality or freedom for anyone who disagrees with their opinions, but only in what kind of double standard they can impose by coercion, none of them qualify as feminists, or all of them qualify as feminists and hypocrites, one or the other.
Posted by Matt L., Tuesday, 14 February 2012 10:50:28 PM
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@Killarney
I gather from your post that you are perfectly comfortable with the attempted repression of my voice because you don't agree with my point of view?

And you are content to witness this repressive "tool of social control" being employed to silence views that differ from that of yourself and Reist?

And you are more than happy to see this tool wielded in the form of patriarchal defamation laws by a woman whose views you do agree with against a woman whose views you dislike?

I am critical of many of Reist' views. However silencing her is not an option in my moral universe. She has a right to speak, and guess what, so do I. I also have the right to ask Reist, a very public figure who seeks to influence public policy that profoundly affects women, questions about where she is coming from.
Posted by briar rose, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 5:29:46 AM
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...I am personally overjoyed to see the "pair" shredding each other publicly. A good metaphor for the fate of their articles, I would suggest.
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 5:32:26 AM
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Matt and diver_dan - saddened by both your posts.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 7:14:03 AM
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Killarney,
I've addressed the contradictory contentions of the article and am critical of a degenerate feminism generally that has nothing but a "domestic" agenda; no vision of a different kind of society and culture.

"...a woman who campaigns against corporate pornification of a culture that increasingly sexualises women and girls - but almost never men and boys - to sell products and values that entrench a patriarchal view of the world".

It's not "corporate pornification", it's the free market, it's capitalism in action, amorally and indifferently driven by demand. MTR isn't agitating for radical change, only reactionary reform based on the delusion that we have a culture to be corrupted or saved. We don't have a "culture", patriarchal or otherwise, it fell long ago; we have a consumer base and commodities, and culture is reduced to appetite and whim, hypertrophically nurtured and cultivated. Capitalism shows us what we are essentially, taking fundamental drives like appetite, desire, insecurity, narcissism and fear, and nourishing them to the point where they're no longer character-flaws to be overcome, but prime vices (nay virtues!) that overcome and dominate us; that is, mature vices that make a mockery of the trappings of civilisation and culture that formerly constituted us. Capitalism ultimate provides "freedom" then, from stereotypes and from morality, from all constraint; it allows us to parody ourselves.
To polemicise "morality" against "patriarchy" is antiquated and naive, and appealing to regulation is intellectually incestuous.
THe pietistically offended MTR ought to leave off pruning the foliage and attack the root. This is the topic that ought to be the bone of feminist contention, but it requires capacities of abstract thought and political will. The ladies continue to disappoint, both in their commodified sensibilities and their determination to blame men.
Posted by Squeers, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 7:28:30 AM
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Briar rose,
"I gather from your post that you are perfectly comfortable with the attempted repression of my voice because you don't agree with my point of view?"

You would have to be joking of course.

Every time someone has a different opinion to a feminist they are labelled a “misogynist" or “woman hater" or “patriarchal”

That is done to silence the person.

But considering the lies, fraud, mistruth, manipulation of facts, misinformation, suppression of information, hypocrisy and deceit of feminism, there is a lot to be critical of feminism.
Posted by vanna, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 8:22:09 AM
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