Just one more post here as I dont want to become bogged down in this. Thankyou MA Poynter for your response as it rather proved my case in my mind. My rather moderate call for people to visit the forest to talk to helpful, friendly and cluey people there became a 'rant'. Needless to say you probably wont feel the need to comment Hasbeen's contribution though. My lack of facts was a problem for you also. I wasn't trying to give facts in my post Mr Poynter. There are volumes and volumes of hard data out there for people to access. I was giving my own the ground view from a recent trip and impresssions.

Then I was emotional apparently. Well I can do emotional! I could have also talked about the stoney faced logging truck driver in my last post who felt the urge to jump out of his truck when I was in the Styx forest kms from any active logging one morning looking for pretty shots and then very obviously had a good sticky beak in the back of my car (dangerous cameras were there)and confused the hell out of me by talking about locking gates and by announcing I had to follow him out of the State forest. I did follow him and then couldn't keep up so went back out the way I came in which was obviously very much still open. Anyway I lost a morning's work to this over-officious person who as far as I can see didn't have any right to be messing around with me. It's a state forest, I'm a fifty year old woman, a very ordinary looking person, there was no fire danger, I was conducting my own perfectly legal business, and was not in harms way so perhaps Mr Poynter pass this on to the logging workers that it is not their exclusive forest or next time I may get 'emotional' - read that as 'very annoyed'. tbc

People also aren't stupid. Of course there is a difference between the logging of a 100 years ago and now. The sheer scale of devastion for one thing. What would have taken months can be done in weeks.

Anyway I do encourage people to visit the forests and to see for themselves. Very quickly they will learn to recognise depleted,impoverished logged forest from the sort of rich diverse forest that Miranda is fighting to save.