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The New Dark Age : Comments

By Evaggelos Vallianatos, published 14/12/2011

For almost three days in late October 2011, a couple of hundred people in Claremont, CA, discussed the state of the world and found it precarious, nay, unacceptable.

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Hi Bonmot,

I don't know how fast the bloc is moving, or tilting, (as well as butting up against and under the Himalayas) but this from Wikipedia:

"A 1990 study noted "There is no evidence that environmental degradation in the Himalayas or a 'greenhouse'-induced rise in sea level have aggravated floods in Bangladesh."[10] The Bengal Basin is slowly tilting towards the east due to neo-tectonic movement."

And this from http://hssen-hssen-coastalmanagement.blogspot.com/2010/09/river-ganga-ecology.html:

"Due to neo-tectonic movement during 16th to 18th century the Bengal basin had tilted easterly along a hinge zone starting from Sagar (Indian Sundarbans) to north of Malda (West Bengal, India), finally curving towards Dhaka (Bangladesh).
"As a result of this, the flow of Ganga river started coursing through the river Padma in Bangladesh leaving Hugli with the erstwhile course as a mere tidal channel.
"During 16th – 18th century innumerable distributaries were generated from Ganga which formed huge network of creeks and channels within Sundarbans delta and other parts of TDA in both India and Bangladesh and many of them now act as brackish water channels."

So subsidence somewhat pre-dates global warming.

But just to confuse us, check the effects of an earthquake in the late eighteenth century on http://www.banglapedia.org/httpdocs/HT/B_0615.HTM:

" .... By the beginning of the 19th century its (the Brahmaputra) bed had risen due to tectonic movement of the Madhupur tract and it found an outlet farther west along its present course.... "
Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 6:04:45 PM
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The new dark age has been initiated by the environmentalists and the banksters who want the ETS derivative scams.The Greens are financed by the Rothchilds.
Posted by Arjay, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 6:25:45 PM
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Joe I've not been able to find figures for the vertical component of movement. Horizontal movement seem to be 5 to 6 cm a year.

Some of the links I skimmed
http://geology-book.blogspot.com/2010/06/bangladesh-tectonic-system.html

http://resources.metapress.com/pdf-preview.axd?code=t748u41987323671&size=largest

http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2011/07/13/lurking-under-bangladesh-the-next-great-earthquake/

http://www.banglapedia.org/httpdocs/HT/E_0002.HTM

From Wikipedia and stats on the rate of rise in the oceans

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_sea_level_rise "Global average sea level rose at an average rate of around 1.8 mm per year over 1961 to 2003 and at an average rate of about 3.1 mm per year from 1993 to 2003"

Without clear figures on the vertical component of the tectonic shifts affecting Bangladesh it's difficult to be certain but with a stated horizontal movement of 5 to 6 cm a year it seems unlikely that rising sea levels caused by global warming is the best reason to move off the flood plains of Bangladesh.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 6:56:52 PM
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Dark Ages? Caves?...is that the smell of burning cakes and smoke from mighty Islamic minds grinding over one's and zeroes?
Cliche upon cliche...of course,according to smart Alecs like the author Western Europeans were all sitting in the dirt picking their noses while the Greeks became Ottoman Turks and caused yet another empire, Byzantium, to cave in around them.

The so called "Dark Ages" were the flowering of post Roman European culture, few know of the achievements of Clovis, Dagobert and the iron fisted Charles Martel, grandfather of Charlemagne.

The unification of Germanic and Roman law was, to be sure a painful process but the Gothic cathedral, the high middle ages and the Renaissance were the results.
They also had the sense to end the "unhelpful" Greek and Jewish slavers, merchants and other assorted heretics, deviants and troublemakers out of Aquitania before they could drag Western Christendom back down into the mire from which they were trying to extricate themselves.
If we're entering a "New Dark Age" then those of us with Southern birth but Northern hearts might smile, rejoice even.
The self hating Whites may get their wish, we "Genocidal Colonists" might all pack up and move back to our ancestral homelands and leave them to their rainbow nations.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 7:14:21 PM
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Arjay - "The Greens are financed by the Rothchilds"
and of course by other billionaires such as Rockerfeller and a number of others.

I wonder how many people know this? It is interesting to reason out why billionaires want to fund the anti-capitalist, anti-growth lobby Green lobby. Think about it...

Heres a clue:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/8818995/Billionaires-to-be-given-free-carbon-allowances-to-offset-green-tax-on-private-jets.html

Correct! The answer is that WE will pay and THEY will profit by being granted exemptions and through siphoning off carbon tax/ETS money through Carbon exchanges which they now own.
Posted by Atman, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 8:05:43 PM
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Thanks for that link Joe, albeit the 1990 bit is well, a bit dated. I think RObert's links especially informative. It certainly seems like Bangladesh is going to cop it, from all directions.

Their floods from increasingly moisture laden air and Himilayan ice melt can only exacerbate their problems - China know this and I'm sure they do too. Moreover, a Tsunami caused by a not too distant earthquake would be a disaster of epic proportions.

So much so that the pressures put on neighbouring countries to house "refugees" have the potential to strain diplomatic relations so much so as to define a new (or another) security threat - particularly when you consider the number of people that may be affected.

Obviously, a lot more research is required to get a better handle on it all, from all types - oceanographers, geologists & geographers, glaciologists, engineers, NASA, climatologists, agronomists, etc. Whoops, there goes another gravy train :) Perhaps it's best to just let things be ... poor fellows their country :(
Posted by bonmot, Wednesday, 14 December 2011 9:03:01 PM
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