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The ALP needs to split to save its core values. : Comments

By Klaas Woldring, published 2/12/2011

The ALP Right has become a deeply conservative Party of the Centre that is out of touch with a growing number of Australian voters, especially the younger voters who, quite understandably, are turning to the Greens.

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The sleazy rodents have infiltrated our parliament and were able to get other rodents to be accepted to be their tribunal and determine an unjustified, unearned, unwarranted, extra high increase to parliamentarian salaries. It will be a further degeneration the economy and other areas of prosperity of our country. Unfortunately although it was started and set up by the Labor party, when it was put into cabinet, Tony and all the members of the parties have grabbed it as if they really deserved it. What a dirty joke, it just shows that the only people who go for parliament, are just there for the money. I wish we could get honest people into parliament, don’t you? The people offering to beome a member of parliament, is supposed to be representative of the population, not an over- representative of a certain section, which is what we have got now, and dishonest as well. We need a party with a good constitution with members who sign that they will honour it and carry on with dependably honesty.
Posted by merv09, Friday, 2 December 2011 8:28:03 AM
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Maybe I'm not close enough to either party to get the differences but just what would be the difference between the proposed new party and the Green's?

From the outside it seems that the Labor left might as well split off and join the Green's.

There seems to be lot's of opportunities for shuffling except for the electoral risks and minor quibbling. The liberals in the Liberal/National Coalition could split off and form a liberal party. Perhaps the religious right from both Labor and the Liberals/National parties could merge.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Friday, 2 December 2011 9:01:25 AM
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Well said Klaas.

I have refused even to let my preference flow to Labor, it is so rotten. It is a major obstacle to reasonable governance of Australia.

Both major groups would do the country a favour by fragmenting. Right wing nutters have taken over the Libs, so the few sane people left there would be better off splitting.
Posted by Geoff Davies, Friday, 2 December 2011 2:56:18 PM
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The Looney left has already split off to join the greens.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Saturday, 3 December 2011 2:15:51 AM
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The ALP has become a deeply conservative Party of the Centre Right that is out of touch with a growing number of Australian voters, especially the minority and marginalised groups. Both Elder and Younger voters all looking at turning to the Greens as their living conditions and quality of life is becomeing unjustifiably unsustainable.

Australia is losing its way. It may be the richest economy at present but it is also the most unproductive when it comes to upholding inclusion of the whole population. Social Isolation is on the rise. It is a cohesive breakdown at community levels and something institutions and government themselves cant fix.

Lost is our social capital as our values and goodwill is being out sourced by economic policies that overide the human value of participation and community ownership.

It is as though the Howard years are back. Voters are being shut out of almost every door except on Talkback radio.

One wonders who is the "status quo" these days if not a selected few. The rest are many clinging to life-styles they cant afford, in fear of losing their grip if they don't tow the line.

Your article helps Klaas Woldring, but we need to dig deeper because it seems all goal posts have been moved. ie: The marginalised are now even more socially and economically marginalised. Not even Hope, due to the snatched rise of 'spin' is on the table.

Just look at what is occuring between Indigenous Rights and Mining. How there is a complete silence on this issue. Compare that to the 'Shut the Gate' claims.

So much of what matters needs greater balance.

Stark is the issue of ABC programes being out-sourced. A betrayal of one of the last entities we once claimed was public.

Thank You for the article.

http://www.miacat.com/
Posted by miacat, Saturday, 3 December 2011 1:34:32 PM
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MiaCat Living conditions and quality of life is becoming unsustainable.
What is quality of life, What conditions do you like to live under. These are at the discretion of the individual, there are no set rules. Some people live like pigs, and some live the lifestyle of a princess. I do not know how you can have a standard. Quality of life, is another individual choice, you can live on drugs, or alcohol. I am lost as to what you are suggesting, Both of these, are an individual choice.
Posted by 579, Saturday, 3 December 2011 2:07:26 PM
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Hard to be surprised with comments such as yours these days 579.

Try in Australia Disabled life quality 'worst in developed world'. Where is the choice here?

http://www.theage.com.au/national/disabled-life-quality-worst-in-developed-world-20111129-1o581.html

Try over 100,000 people living homeless each night as you sleep. Among them disadvantaged children and youth.

Try affordable Housing Shortages in Australia.

http://acoss.org.au/images/uploads/ACOSS_Indicators_of_inequality_-_Media_Factsheet_28_March_2011.pdf

Try many Australians still find it really hard to find or keep jobs and reports that work place bullying is on the rise...

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2011/s3379391.htm

This is even before we consider the plight of Indigenous Peoples, be it their legal rights unmet, or living conditions. Their Health and Housing issues that are reported year round throughout the country. Their access to basic needs.

ie: Changes needed to close the gap for Indigenous Australians with disabilities

http://theconversation.edu.au/changes-needed-to-close-the-gap-for-indigenous-australians-with-disabilities-4544

Some people have NO Choice. Their circumstances are different to yours. The very least you might do is understand that.

Thank You for the opportunity to comment 579.

http://www.miacat.com/
Posted by miacat, Sunday, 4 December 2011 12:05:47 AM
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The Labor Party has no core values to save.Their Graham Richo motto ,"Whatever it takes." is their core value and belief.

They like the Coalition have sold us out to large corporate interests.
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 4 December 2011 1:29:01 AM
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Klaas

Socialism doesn't work. That's why labor is dying.

There is an alternative to the Greens/Labor coalition.

It's called the Liberal National coalition. Mostly voters will move there at the next federal election just as they have done in Victoria, NSW and Western Australia. They'll do the same in Queensland in January.

Labors dead because it represents nobody and focuses on things most people see as irrational and foolish or focuses on itself and it's leaders.

Have a look at the latest group their irrelevance has upset. They've managed to unite the Catholics, the Anglicans and the Muslims. Astonishingly bad politics there.
Posted by imajulianutter, Monday, 5 December 2011 10:17:01 AM
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Klaas
Your ideas for better governance in Australia are a breath of fresh air. Yes there is a sence of urgency for finding a better way to govern. According to climate science experts we have a small 5 year window of opportunity to avoid irreversible, catastrophic weather events. Yet there is no national solar feed-in price thanks to our confusing regulatory Federal State framework.

According to international financial experts, we are on the precipice of a global depression thanks to reckless financial practices by those who run coporate empires too big to fail and those who beg sovereign bail outs. Of course the outrage of the Occupy Movement will grow as the consequences of failed neo-liberal policies become apparent to more and more victims. Yet we are no closer in Australia to ending outragious salaries for executives or stopping a long list of ruthless, unethical conduct that works against the national interest. Our politicians reward them.

The unfolding crisis does create the possibility for substantial change as you have outlined. It is reassuring that there are people like you Klaas, with credible plans to put into action when this policy and institutional mess hits our largely unsuspecting public.
Posted by Quick response, Monday, 5 December 2011 11:05:20 AM
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Cant wait for the greens to g the way of the democrats. Fringe nutters.

Quick Response, dont forget those greedy corporate chiefs pay approximately 50% tax, so if you were to slash $100m per year off the salaries of corporate oz, you'll also slash $50m off the tax cut for the year. What's a fair amount to pay someone who has little job security (its been said that there are two classes of CEO's - those that have been fired, and those waiting to be fired), might have extended periods of time between jobs, and often works 14 hour days with very few holidays (and thereby sacrifices family time as well). Not too many CEO's have anything resembling a work/life balance. Does that justify their pay? Perhaps not, but I'll almost guarantee they work harder than any of their minions.
Posted by Country Gal, Tuesday, 6 December 2011 8:00:04 PM
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"(its been said that there are two classes of CEO's - those that have been fired, and those waiting to be fired), might have extended periods of time between jobs, and often works 14 hour days with very few holidays (and thereby sacrifices family time as well). Not too many CEO's have anything resembling a work/life balance. "

Off topic but it's an interesting point. To some extent true with the flow on effect that those same CEO's have little understanding of the lives of those on far less pay who do try and keep some work life balance, who may not do so well with a lack of job security, who might not be in a great position to be job mobile.

I've often wondered what the flow on effect in our workplaces and to concepts like loyalty are when you have senior management who don't have any loyalty to the business, the staff, the customers and are not shown any loyalty by their employers.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Wednesday, 7 December 2011 6:47:30 AM
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