KAEP,
Over population has never been a problem in educated Western society as most families are on the average just under 3 children. the overpopulation myth is a scare tactic used by The Green politicians.

Denial of the biological fact of human reproduction, is no reason to postulate therefore that same sex is natural. Tell me what purpose does the female womb serve in same sex relationships? In every living species there are two sets of genes that are designed to recreate the species at a level of maturity. That is the purpose of the design of the species male and female reproductive parts.

"Jon J,
The fact is My wife has fostered 153 neglected or abused infants taken by DOCS and placed into our care. I am on the Board of a Foster Carer Administration and my wife now an assistant acessor for requiting carers. "

Then I withdraw my criticism. But what a bizarre and unnatural thing to do on a planet where 99% of animal species leave their abandoned offspring to die! Surely if God had intended neglected or abused children to be looked after, then we wouldn't have had five millennia of high infant mortality, would we?

What you regard as 'natural' and 'design' is merely your own prejudices showing. The fact that you are willing and able to use a computer, for instance, shows just how happy you are to embrace the 'unnatural' when it suits your purposes -- after all, where does God mention computers in the Bible?

Jon J,
"What you regard as 'natural' and 'design' is merely your own prejudices showing."

Demonstrates your absolute ignorance of biological reality. Go to school!

Philo,
don't you think it is a bit weird that you think about other couples bedroom activities?

It is not as though anyone is trying to make gayness compulsory.

I think life must be difficult enough for gay folk, with the level of homophobia still around, and suspect that at times many would have wished that they were able to conform to hetero life. If 2 people of the same gender are able to find happiness, why does it concern anyone else - and why deny them the same right as other Australians.

Being hetero does not make a person any more able to love and care for children as you noted. The abused children your wife has cared for were created by a woman and a man, as you so rightly point out. Their hetero-ness did not make them better parents.

The world is changing, and most Australians do not see any problem with gay marriage. Personally I think it is a dumb political football and the govt should just legislate and approve it and be done with it.

If you can't deal with the thought Philo, I recommend you stop fantasizing what other consenting adults do in their bedrooms.

What is natural has no relation to what is good or bad, moral or immoral. You have all typed your comments on keyboards. Your fingers did not evolve to do that! They didn't evolve to write, or to sharpen knives or to play musical instruments. None of these activities are natural. None of them are in accordance with the biological function of fingers. But that provides no reason whatsoever for holding that what you have been doing is wrong.

Soccer players use their feet and their heads to move footballs. Most unnatural. Ballerinas stand en pointe.

Discussion about gay marriage has been around at least since I was an undergraduate in the early 1960's. The bad arguments about what is natural were around then, too--and shown to be fallacious--as I have just done.

There are, it is true, other senses of 'natural' than the biological. But they don't help either.

The flip side of this is that showing that homosexuality is natural does not show that it is morally acceptable either. Responding with one's fists to an insult is natural. That does not make it morally acceptable. The argument needs to shift to a careful account of the morality of sexual relationships. Too big a task for 300 words--as is the defence of the concept of human rights.

ozbib,
Next homosexual men will be seeking equal rights to Lesbians because they cannot give birth to children. Nature itself dictates what is natural. All activities undertaken by the hand and the foot are natural movements.