progressive pat, of course!

Hospitals, universities and schools aren't the product of science and don't use science in any way, how could I have been so blind?

It's a weird point of view, but I guess many people hold it in defence of their blind faith.

That's just silly, progressive pat.

>>Christian morals on display: Hospitals, universities, schools.<<

Hospitals pre-date Christianity. Does the name Asclepius mean anything to you?

Schools also pre-date Christianity, by a long way. We know for certain that they existed in Mesopotamia four thousand years ago, in India three and a half thousand years ago, and in China at least three thousand years ago.

Universities were largely the product of the medieval guild system in Europe. The University of Bologna, which is generally regarded to be the oldest university, began as a law school in 1088, and has been autonomous (i.e. no religious or royal patronage or control) for its entire existence.

Not everything is the product of your religion, you know, much as you'd like to convince yourself otherwise.

Sorry Pat, but when I think of Christianity, I have to have near the top of the list, the inquisition, burning witches, & the crusades.

Kind of balances any good they may have done in imposing their form of law.

@ Bugsy,

Science as a tool to investigate our surrounds (or God's creation) has always existed, I can't understand why the new atheists see science as some modern invention that will lead us to utopia and tell us how to behave and think, as if science will ever have the capability to answer moral questions...what would be the science answer for a response to something like 9/11? Abortion survival? Gay marriage (evolutionary, biology, human right?)

'Scientific revelation'? - I think the authour means 'atheistic revelation fails to convert the masses'. Science needs to be guided by a moral person. We see in history that science guided by Christians has led to pro-life developments (Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, Sydney, Chicago Hope, etc.), whereas science guided by pure atheists or humanists has been less productive (nuclear weapons, etc.)

pat, are you saying the president of the United States that ordered the research into nuclear weapons was an atheist, or at least a humanist?

You are right about science being a tool, it is a method. It sorts the reality from BS.

Science has a lot to say about what is not real. A lot of people don;t care to listen though and prefer to create their own reality, as is their right. Don't expect me to join in though.

@ Has been, A lot of people feel that way about Christianity these days. This is because the secularists dominate our cultural heights (media), they are only giving you half the story, they seek to make religion look bad.

Christians need to embrace the media, it's that simple.