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Why so many corpses? : Comments

By David Fisher, published 4/10/2011

It's in the nature of Marxism to destroy human life, not coincidentally, but causally.

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Formersnag (2.19pm, 10/10),

The idea that the far right is anarchy makes no sense at all, but neither does an international Jewish conspiracy, so I don’t expect to get through to you.

If we take just the parties that have had long-term federal representation in the post-war era, the left-to-right continuum reads Greens-ALP-DLP-Democrats-Liberals-Nationals. (Some would put the Democrats to the left of the DLP, but I do not as the Democrats voted for the Howard government’s workplace relations laws, something the DLP senators would never have done.)

Peter Hume,

I simply don’t share your view of the world. It makes no sense to me, but I accept that you are beyond my powers of persuasion, especially given that you now equate democracy with socialism.

Antiseptic,

Yes, Nazism pre-Hitler was founded on socialist principles, but Hitler had a different take on things, but I have been through that too.

Chris Curtis
Posted by Chris C, Saturday, 15 October 2011 4:50:44 PM
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ChrisC:"Hitler had a different take on things"

Not at all. The Nazis were aware that to hold power they needed the backing of big business and they quite deliberately sought to gain that backing, whilst at the same time maintaining economic and social policies that were essentially socialist. This socialism wasn't Marxist, but arose from a vague sort of communalism based on the idea of duty to the race. It's a sort of tribal village approach writ large, complete with the concept of "chief" and "village elders". It went so wrong because Hitler went mad, not because the concept of a uni-racial nation is inherently abhorrent. Look at Japan, the Balkans, the Kurdish lands, and on and on and on. People like to live with people with whom they feel a commonality.

I'd even go so far as to say that the idea of removing "them" from "us" is at the root of human expansion. Humans don't like other groups of humans around their territory. Have a look at the many and brutal teritorial tribal fights that occur still in PNG for a simple example. We ourselves have foreign ownership laws.
Posted by Antiseptic, Sunday, 16 October 2011 4:45:54 AM
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Hatred of the other is endemic to the human race. Generally tribal people have a name for themselves which means 'the people.' Inuit which the people we used to call eskimos now prefer to be called means 'the people' in their language. That implies that those not Inuit are not people. The myth of the chosen people in the Bible means non-Jews are not chosen by God. That puts down non-Jews. It would be a movement against race hatred to recognise the 'chosen people' myth for what it is and rid ourselves of it and all its variants. Marxism, Christianity, Islam, nationalism, racism and fascism are all variants. There is no chosen race, class, religion, nation, political ideology or ethnic group. It is merely a hate promoting device.
Posted by david f, Sunday, 16 October 2011 11:13:47 AM
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Davidf:"It would be a movement against race hatred to recognise the 'chosen people' myth for what it is and rid ourselves of it and all its variants."

I suspect that's going to be about as easy as turning soup back into the ingredients it was made from. People seem to feel a need to be "special", whatever lipservice they may pay to egalitarianism.

Even the most downtrodden and outcast have this need, perhaps even more than those who are doing well. Much of our own politics is based on the need to appease the "special" claims of interest groups. Marxism is a failure because it simply doesn't recognise this basic human drive. Nazism was wildly successful because it made everybody who wasn't Jewish (or criminal or homosexual or mentally disturbed) "special": Zionism for precisely the opposite reason.

Perhaps we should be working more on ways to harness this enormously persuasive meme?
Posted by Antiseptic, Monday, 17 October 2011 5:50:12 AM
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Dear Antiseptic, Marxism recognised this basic human drive and promoted class solidarity. However, class solidarity turned out to be much less of a binding force than religion, ethnicity, nationalism and attachment to locality. How would you promote the meme in a way that would reduce rather than promote divisiveness?
Posted by david f, Monday, 17 October 2011 8:17:39 AM
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david, is division bad per se? Is there no impetus provided by competitive drives? Does a strong sense of communal investment to the exclusion of others have no virtuous qualities?

I think the difficult thing is to allow the positive competitive urge something of a free rein, whilst limiting the potential for it to boil over into territoriality and exclusionary discrimination or even active warfare.

I wish I had a big enough intellect to work out how to come up with a repeatable solution to that problem.
Posted by Antiseptic, Monday, 17 October 2011 1:04:35 PM
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