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Non-government schools under attack : Comments
By Kevin Donnelly, published 12/9/2011Governments are ignoring the role non-government schools play in education and society.
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Posted by Chris C, Monday, 12 September 2011 1:52:03 PM
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http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=12596#217716
Shadyoasis, i witnessed this personally during my own chilhood. All through my time in primary school it was successful. i was the oldest in my family. Several years later in the mid to late 1960's "reforms" began happening & the literacy rates have been declining ever since. http://www.rense.com/general32/americ.htm read ALL of it, but pay particular attention to #17. SOFTEN THE CURRICULUM. They did & it worked, our education system has been worsening every year, while costing more money. http://www.americandeception.com/index.php?page=searchkeyword down load a free pdf of this book "school of darkness", dont believe me read it for yourself. Posted by Formersnag, Monday, 12 September 2011 1:58:08 PM
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Don't you love this quote:
"...properly funded and autonomous non-government schools..." In other words, 'give us your money and leave us alone!' Maggie Thatcher couldn't have said it better. Posted by Jon J, Monday, 12 September 2011 2:43:59 PM
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Formersnag, I'm sorry, but I'm not going to waste my time on strange American conspiracy theory websites. Show me something relevant that contains some real evidence. I didn't do too well at a government selective school during the 1970s either (managed to gain undergraduate and postgraduate degrees in adulthood), but many others since have done just fine. Yes, there's been a lot of messing with the whole notion of pedagogy - it's unfortunately become a huge discipline that has money thrown at it, but with little substance. Still, I'm hoping my children, who are both bright (albeit relatively privileged) and have good skills in literacy and numeracy gained in a public primary school, will manage OK at a public high school. Perhaps the curriculum has been dumbed down in the past 30 years, but NSW school kids today all sit the same exams, and will probably attend the same dumbed-down university.
Posted by Shadyoasis, Monday, 12 September 2011 3:39:01 PM
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I think it should be part of any elected representatives conditions that they must send their children to public schools, and use public transport and public medical care.
It would be amazing how quickly these public facilities would be fixed. I love the 'framing of the debate' here, where private schools are 'under attack' by... 'The paper’s statement, “Australia is unusual in that it provides public money to non-government schools but does not place such restrictions (related to school fees and enrolment practices) on the sector”, implies that there should be increased government control and regulation over non-government schools.' Very amusing. Under attack! is defined as stating a fact that implies ' should be increased government control and regulation'. How frightening! A 'vicious' attack even? Simple solution: Don't accept money or accept less money for less regulation. Cant believe nobody thought of that before. 'government monopoly over education is counter-productive ' Woah woah woah! Where is this government monopoly 'implied'? You can have the money, or you can have the freedom from regulation. Dare I say it, you have 'choice'. Posted by Houellebecq, Monday, 12 September 2011 4:23:57 PM
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I take it that when Formersnag departed from his public school, the average IQ and literacy levels improved immediately, in like manner to the oft-heard story about the IQ of NZ and of Australia being improved by New Zealanders migrating westward.
I've heard that story so many times that it must be true... just like FS's story about the poor literacy levels in Primary School, as assessed and determined by his own self, at the age of 11 or so. As the eldest child of the family, Formersnag certainly didn't refrain from pouring scorn on his(?) younger siblings, who presumably were part and parcel of the perceived decline in standards. Well done, Formerslag. Beautiful own goal. Posted by JohnBennetts, Monday, 12 September 2011 4:25:03 PM
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http://www.deewr.gov.au/Schooling/ReviewofFunding/SubGen/Pages/GeneralSubmissions.aspx/
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http://www.deewr.gov.au/Schooling/ReviewofFunding/SubEip/AtoF/Pages/AtoF.aspx.
The Gonski Review is a once-in-a-generation opportunity to devise a rational system. I have calculated the marginal recurrent cost per mainstream student of a properly staffed, high quality education system at $6,993 for years 3 to 6 and $8,320 for all other levels. This is in addition to a base amount of around $1,000,000 per secondary school and around $250,000 per primary school.
All schools, whether privately or publicly owned, ought to get these per student amounts (and additional funding for special needs students) provided they meet the same public purposes, including a cap on fees of, say, $1,000 pa, so that we do not underwrite an education system that is segregated by wealth.