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Rethinking refugee policy : Comments

By Noel Preston, published 9/9/2011

Government overboard or government back on track?

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Why are our academics to thick .
Runner,
They're not naturally thick, they're educated to get thicker by semester after semester.
Imagine if they were to start thinking all of a sudden. Unemployment figures would hit the roof.
Posted by individual, Friday, 9 September 2011 7:26:07 PM
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I'm going to try another tack.
Notice how the pro refugee argument is based on the concept of debt?
White people are, according to the advocates indebted to Afghans, Sudanese, Burmese and all, we "owe" them our protection.
The whole materialist "Human Rights" movement is debt based, just like the Christian humanism from which it sprang. Judeo Christian (and to a lesser extent Islamic) revelatory theology, which has at it's core a debt which can never be repaid is the underpinning of the current closed, debt based system that's killing the planet.

Pro vs Con is just the materialsts vs the primordialists,the god of Debt vs the God of Corn one side seeks to dominate nature the other seeks communion with nature, sustained growth vs growing for sustenance.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 9 September 2011 9:03:04 PM
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Rethinking refugee policy!

Bowens plan just for a stark moment was a first regional step. Many of us were sure the government had heard the demand for on-shore 14 day health and security checks [shorter humane detention] and the need to strengthen regional locational access throughout the Asia Pacific, so asylum seekers have an opportunity to make a reasonable claim for Asylum in Australia without risking boarding leaky boats.

Alas however, Bowens polices became one sided and ostentatious as he stubbornly grabbed the wrong end of the stick at the "cost" of the flow of individual Refugee maritime arrivals. It is as though they have paid not regard to the Mental Health issues or the causes for the overwhelming backlog of claims causing the debacle. The issue reminds me of Mal Brough masterminded mock shift force used in the NT Intervention that failed to acknowledge the true causes or long-term consequence.

Bowens 'arrangement overall was always too cute an avoidance of the need to fundamentally revise our miserable commitment to the global challenge of displaced persons'. The ALP lost a constructive opportunity here.

Now, after the High Court finding only two weeks ago we have heard radio voxpod sound bytes from [carefully chosen] individuals from overseas about how they will all board boats. Note we haven't heard from the fisherman who are hired as crew on these boats. You would think, given Bowens worldly press on how he intends to catch the people smugglers, that they would know [from the media' that they are heading into a front-on battle with Bowen's policies and possibly to be gaoled through Australian courts? Yet they still come.

Something is very "fishy" here. Our intelligence gathering appears to be bias, willful. Counteracting against common sense efforts in reality by truthfully targeting the facts in this cause.

I appreciated the detail in this artlcle Noel Preston. I will pass it round and hope others take the time to reflect their comments.

http://www.miacat.com/
Posted by miacat, Friday, 9 September 2011 9:08:16 PM
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The naivete of the author beggars belief. Contrary to his opinion, most Australians out in the real world couldn't give a stuff what happens to the boat people, if they sink on the way, too bad, is what they think.

If we wish to be completely pragmatic about it, we should just give them a temporary protection visa upon arrival, preferably at Darwin or Broome, give them a health check, and then turn them loose to be cared for by what ever community to which they may belong. We have probably just about reached saturation point as to the available boats there are out there and if we destroy the ones that arrive and put their crews in prison the numbers will surely diminish. That should save us millions of dollars running detention centres and free up money to help all those others who want to make Australia their home.

David
Posted by VK3AUU, Friday, 9 September 2011 9:15:32 PM
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"the chance to show their benevolence to individuals and families who generally will give back much to Australian society."

That would depend what the individuals or families would be "giving back".
If an individual or family only had its extreme religious views to "give" to my society- I would take the opportunity to turn them away and spare myself their "gift".

And really that's all we should be doing for all our arrivals before we even bother getting to their refugee status- assessing whether they actually WOULD at least settle in, or pose a risk.
Posted by King Hazza, Friday, 9 September 2011 10:22:46 PM
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"Give back to society'
More debt, there's no "one good turn deserves another" it's an expectation that the debt will be called in at some point.
I posted in a similar thread the view that it's probably unwise to trust anyone who is beholden unto the government. Let's be realistic refugees in a lot of cases owe the government their lives, that's a tricky position to be in, it makes them susceptible to manipulation and duress.
When we break the debt model which underpins our current state we'll be able to make a real judgement on the value to society of refugees, as it stands their intrinsic value to the rest of us is zero, these people literally belong to the government and the government is anything but a reflection of the will of the Australian Nation.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 9 September 2011 11:07:11 PM
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