The National Forum   Donate   Your Account   On Line Opinion   Forum   Blogs   Polling   About   
The Forum - On Line Opinion's article discussion area



Syndicate
RSS/XML


RSS 2.0

Main Articles General

Sign In      Register

The Forum > Article Comments > Unproven technologies a poor power option > Comments

Unproven technologies a poor power option : Comments

By Martin Nicholson, published 1/8/2011

We've had renewable energy power for 40 years and it has yet to produce commercially competitive power. Will anything be different in 2050?

  1. Pages:
  2. 1
  3. 2
  4. Page 3
  5. 4
  6. 5
  7. 6
  8. 7
  9. 8
  10. 9
  11. All
Most PV cells have a life expectancy of about 25 years at 80% of peak (new) output. The panels degrade over time from almost the first moment they are exposed to light. After 23 years you'll be at no more than 80-85% of your current output.
Posted by Antiseptic, Monday, 8 August 2011 9:56:24 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
I admit renewable energy's costs are not turned into externalities as easily as fossil and nukes. Megatons of heavy metal fly ash doesn't need to be dealt with [coal] and a catastrophic failure rate of 5% doesn't destroy 100s of hectares and lives. [nukes] The one unstated assumption in this article is that fossil fuels will be as available about as long as we'll need to keep nuke wastes out of the biosphere. I believe that assumption is untrue and we really need to focus on providing renewable energy with subsidies as we have fossil and nukes. [Giant navies to keep the oil flowing and nobody in their right mind would invest in nukes without bribes.]
Posted by 124c4u, Monday, 8 August 2011 10:11:19 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Solar panels allow for the breaking down of some cells over time. That's why when you bye a thousand watts, you actually get one thousand and fifty.
More than 50 yeas ago solar panels were installed on a test site and still operating with Nine hundred and ninety six of the 2 watt cells operating, the original value was one thousand and fifty 2 watt cells.
Posted by a597, Monday, 8 August 2011 10:19:07 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
It's not just the failure of individual cells, but the loss of efficiency. A cell that originally produced 100W will only produce 80 or so at the end of 25 years, excpet in exceptional circumstances. This is because of things like degradation of the glass, degradation of the semi-conductor material itself, degradation of the connections between cells, etc. They'll still be useful, but not quite as useful as they were. A frequent solution is to simply add another module when the power is no longer enough.
Posted by Antiseptic, Monday, 8 August 2011 10:43:03 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Perhaps one of the geniuses on this thread can explain how any of these systems can provide base load.

Given that peak demand is at about 7pm, and is more than double the demand at noon, PV cells are essentially useless and wind cannot be relied upon. Hot rock geothermal is having so many teething problems that it is no longer being considered viable for many decades. Solar thermal (liquid salt) can store heat, but comes in at about 4x the cost of nuclear and about 10x the cost of coal.

Until these issues are resolved, replacing fossil fuels with renewable energy is a fantasy generated by greenies to help them avoid dealing with reality.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 8 August 2011 11:54:27 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
PV is a good fit for aircon mostly SM.
Posted by Antiseptic, Monday, 8 August 2011 11:56:00 AM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
  1. Pages:
  2. 1
  3. 2
  4. Page 3
  5. 4
  6. 5
  7. 6
  8. 7
  9. 8
  10. 9
  11. All

About Us :: Search :: Discuss :: Feedback :: Legals :: Privacy