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By Alan Oxley, published 20/7/2011The Greens policies on global economics are contradictory and lack coherence.
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Posted by Cheryl, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 3:02:45 PM
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Jimoctec “What is needed is a winding back of the "growth at any cost" economy to a steady-state economy”
What we need is for government, be it Red, Green or Blue, to stop pretending they have the answers and leave the “economy” in the hands of the “real” people who live with its ups and downs. Therefore Strip the Civil service and the rest of the parasites who sup out on the public purse to the bone- By cutting public service salaries (none of this parity with the private sector where “security of tenure” is not guaranteed) Cull the number of pointless bureaucrats pretending that they are needed to regulate almost every aspect of peoples lives and Leave more money in the pockets of the people who went and worked to earned it (instead of stealing it through taxation) Of course forget all the dingbat regulations of land use and housing and carbon taxes, which the Watermelon Greens and other levelers feel they can use as a stealth maneuver to steal the private property of private individuals As for “Business as usual is doing a damn fine job of screwing the whole planet” No, what screws the planet is the uneducated pretending they should make decisions for the commercially capable (aka green activists and the public service hoardes) GeoffofPerth “And why do so many people continue to put “the economy” first, to take industrial capitalism as we know it as a given and not fight back, defend what’s left of the natural world?” Oh yes, Capitalism is a terrible thing but As Churchill said of Democracy, it is still better than any of the other systems of economic organization and ownership Example, Chernobyl a "collectivist" environmental failure And so too is the Aral Sea I suggest, before you throw out the baby with the bath water, you reconsider your criticism of libertarian Capitalism. Government can regulate capitalists (example the US anti-Trust Acts) but No one has managed to regulate government – example all the mass murderers who found their way to the top of Collectivist politics Posted by Col Rouge, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 4:13:53 PM
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The 'world in crisis' scenario which is commonly perpetrated by politicians, particularly the Greens and reinforced by the Media is the dominant theme of our times and is the underlying logic behind their desire to thwart development.
Perhaps ironically, it is the slowing of growth and development which is more likely to push the world towards disaster than prevent it. In reality, due to economic development living standards across the globe have generally increased, India, Russia and China are now some of the biggest buyers of luxury items such cars in the world and the nutritional value of food has greatly increased. And its not just the rich. China and India have ever growing middle classes. Pollution in western countries, contrary to popular belief has decreased. Western Cities are cleaner than they ever were thanks to increasingly stringent pollution laws. (no, not CO2, real pollution). The environmental 'disaster at our doorstep' is generally a re-run of the old Malthusian myth and re-manufactured by scientists and politicians using hyperbole and computer modelling, albeit with the question marks left out. Similar computer models predicted widespread famine in 1970's and the world running out of resources well before 2000. Unfortunately, while end of the world preachers are scorned when the day of judgement passes, our scientists-prophets live to invent new judgement days despite the failure of their last to eventuate. The 'World in Crisis' model serves Politicians, Environmentalists Scientists and the Media and notably the UN where thousands are employed to talk about disaster scenarios and creating world governments and centralising world finance but little else. Posted by Atman, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 4:41:55 PM
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Great stuff from Geoff in Perth.
There is nothing at all conservative about right-wing politics. The current thing about the dark lord or would be lord of the rings (of Mordor) namely Rupert is an in your face example of how rotten to the core now-time "conservative" politics is. It is also amazing the garbage that has been written in Ruperts defense by those on the right-side of the culture wars. Two paragraphs from a profoundly conservative essay on the nature of Freedom. "If you examine your life with and degree of seriousness and discrimination, you know very well that the "philosophy" of ego-fulfillment is not how life (or reality) works! And yet you are living in a worldwide culture that suggests that that IS how life (or reality) works - that the ego-"I" should simply be allowed to do whatever it pleases, and, furthermore, that the collective of mankind should be organized to allow, and even to serve, the search of each and every ego-"I" to fulfill its desires." "When the entire human world founds itself on the adolsecent motive to aggrandize the individual ego-"I", then everyone is collectively working toward the destruction not only of human culture and mankind itself, but even of the Earth itself, the very vehicle that supports life. The root of that terrible destructiveness is simply the aggrandizement and idealization of egoity, and the illusion that the ego- "I" is great". Strangely and tragically enough the most ardent boosters of this kind of destructive "culture" are all on the so called conservative side of the culture wars divide, including many who presume to be religious. The mantra being "that there is no other way"! The entire essay is available here http://www.dabase.org/freedom.htm Posted by Ho Hum, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 6:24:38 PM
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Geoff,
It's not "us", ie White People who are pushing the world toward some imaginary precipice, it's that 1% or so at the elite levels of the Anglosphere, the English speaking world and their Third world "clients". It's amusing to me that this White Guilt is still promoted when it's so blatantly obvious what's going on, we should also be laughing at the "all hope is lost" attitude of some on the Left. All hope is never lost if there are White people around, we don't starve unless another White person has us captive, do we? "All hope is lost" is a licence to do nothing, which is precisely what the "Left"are doing at the moment, what's worse is that they attack anyone on the "Right" who's trying to stop the criminals. We're all in this together,the Banksters and Elites are enemies of humanity,they want dominion over every living thing on the planet, pure and simple Just have a listen to this: http://archives.kpfa.org/data/20110713-Wed1300.mp3 Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 6:27:20 PM
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Part 2
Please check out this profoundly sobering assessment of the state of the world in 2011, and how we got to here. http://www.beezone.com/AdiDa/reality-humanity.html Which is featured on this site http://www.beezone.com/news.html Also this essay (The Realization of The Beautiful) which features a phrase which goes something like this "humanity in its current state has been reduced to rubble". A talk which was spontaneously spoken at the time of the Stone Buddhas incident in Afghanistan. http://www.adidamla.org/newsletters/toc-aprilmay2006.html Of course we Westerners (in particular) are fundamentally incapable of appreciating the cultural significance of the appearance of an Avatar or Divine Incarnation. Yes some of like to prattle on about long ago fairy tale "Jesus". But the Real Thing is completely unacceptable by both those who presume to be "religious", and secular "realists" too. Posted by Ho Hum, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 6:52:33 PM
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It's hard to reconcile their No Growth stance (which they took from Clive Hamilton when he was their CoS) with modern capitalism. I suppose we could erect tariff barriers, close down energy companies and run cars off the road - but the realpolitik suggests they wouldn't last long as an electoral force.
We could also cut population simply by closing our borders to immigrants and refugees. That would keep the far left of the Greens happy but of course there are those pesky old middle of the road Democrat types who would whine about the injustice of it all - you know - pushing the boats out to sea again.
Ultimately one hopes the Greens will do some good while they are there.