JSB

Oh sure, the bit about buying credits overseas, in either direction, is quite crazy but the Kyoto Protocol and the European ETS allows big chunks of credcit to be bought overseas for all sorts of crazy results and no gain. Those who want to reduce emissions (not me) should campaign against the Clean Development Mechanism..

The Church of AGW seems to be losing some followers and all they can do now is to insult Alex who makes a legitimate argument.We did not over popoulate our country like some on this planet and must now be penalised under the dubious science of global warming theories caused by CO2.Gillard has the audacity to call it carbon pollution when in fact it is CO2.Carbon to Carbon Dioxide is like comparing water H2O to oxygen or hydrogen,they are totally different substances.So it is lie to talk about carbon pollution.CO2 by the way is not listed as a pollutant by our authorities.

They always show power stations emitting copious quantities of white gases.Here is another lie.That white gas is steam that turns the turbines.

The newest theory is that CO2 is causing the Atlantic to cool down. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shutdown_of_thermohaline_circulation
So from Global warming they moved to Climate Change and now warming is causing cooling.

This is Orwellian double speak and the IPCC has proven to be a dishonest body.Their theory is collapsing and this is why there is an urgency to bring in Carbon Dioxide taxes and the Emitions Trading Scam

Arjay,

Refer to my previous post as to why Alex's argument is not at all legitimate. His argument is akin to basing the winner of a soccer match on how many goals were stopped, not how many were scored.

Secondly, carbon pollution is caused from the burning or breakdown of organic compounds. Look up the definition of what constitutes an organic compound. That's right, Carbon. Besides, arguing semantics is really just a weak position to take, especially when the term 'carbon pollution' is a well established term in the common vernacular.

Thirdly, while there is moisture in the emissions from coal-powered turbines (e.g.last turbine stack I measured was about 10% H2O), in amongst the white steam are all the nasties such as NOx, CO, CO2, SO2, respirable particulates etc. That same turbine stack was pushing out 15% CO2, at an emission rate of over 2 million grams / minute. (This was a coal-fired steam turbine producing 150MW).

So, it's not all steam as you ignorantly try to assert. In fact there is 50% more CO2 than H2O.

And as for the wikipedia link you've posted. "There is SPECULATION that global warming COULD ... lead to cooling or lesser warming IN THAT REGION". Localised cooling. It's a complex system this world climate. Don't post things up and call it double speak because you don't understand the concept.

The IPCC and it's idiot followers are being caught out in their grubby little scam! Usually its reams and reams of balderdash to prove that black is actually white. Now someone comes up with something that hits the mark its yah yah yah we are not talking anymore, the argument is settled!
Well it is not settled, most disagree and you are not trusted at all. The average punter will get his revenge on these scamsters at the next election.

Good article. It deserves better than the emotive comments from the warmists.

It is difficult to understand the CSIRO's pro-AGW position. Could it be that its budget planners are holding a gun to the AGW science head on the grounds that being pro-AGW maximises funding grants from the Govt?

Oh no! It's the carbon tax hate club v the carbon tax love in. Again.

Seriously plebs, what effect will it have on you?

Zilch. Zero. None. Nothing. Nada.

Unless of couse you are a Liberal and can't understand your paranoia about what it might do to your middle class welfare.

Or unless of course you are a Liberal and are just hell bent on a hate filled ideological mission against the loony latte left.

If you are competent and can look after yourself it doesn't matter what the government does.

If you are incompetent (67% apparently) you will call for an election and hope your paranoia or ideology is assuaged.

Too many people rely on unreliable politicians.

Seriously. Gillard is a dud, Abbot is a psycho and Brown is tan. Only true believers, misanthropes and zealots get caught up with this lot.

Get a grip and get a life!