Septic ~ Its ok, sonny. Now go and play with your toys in the shed, while the grown-ups talk seriously and sensibly about important things. Its such a pity you don't have any friends to play with you in the shed, but you know the reasons for that, as we all do. And do please, try to get some help, sonny.

Antiseptic, my case was not that a sensible discussion is achievable- at present it is not. My argument is that you are contradicting yourself. This is due to your persistence with engaging in dehumanising language with people who disagree with you. The engagement of language that dehumanises others is an abuse of human rights- and it is nothing more than bullying.
Your use of “yes dear” is a condescending expression designed to demean the other person- in this case Chaz. Do you realise or understand that your position is unsustainable? You cannot argue that the Family Law Act needs to protect “accused & innocent” fathers while at the same time using the tactics of a domestic violence abuser to make your point.
You accuse Chaz and I of “saying anything it takes to protect” our so-called “livelihood” but this is just a personal slur. You then revert to a broad stroke gendered argument next by stating that the “maternal bias” is “all paid by men”. You accuse Chaz and me of “bias” when you're the one doing it. You are the one using violence to defend men accused of violence and then you call us “hypocrites.”
You cannot argue that men are falsely accused of domestic violence while you use written bullying expressions to dehumanise, demean and put down people who disagree with you. Use argument- not verbal violence if you want to argue that men accused of being domestic bullies are falsely accused and not violent.
Your persistent use of personal violence to others in this forum reveals more about a weakness in you personally than any strength in your argument. Wouldn’t it be better to argue without verbal violence? Do you not understand that in using verbal violence, you might as well be punching with your fists? Verbal and physical violence is symptomatic of domestic violence, and it is just bullying. In the same way, written violence is just cyber bullying.
You should really try to make your arguments without resorting to cyber-bullying.

I hope that the link to Max Barry provided some relief from the verbal battery by such as Antiseptic, JamesH and others.

There are men who sincerely care about their responsibilities as fathers, men who do not see their relationships with women as battlefields, men who do not need to bully.

Lets give a cheer and hugs to the men who can bandage the scabbed knee of a child as well as they can put up a shelf, dig a veggie patch and love their partner. Who ever said men can't multi-task was an idiot, not all men are stuck on a single issue, most are very human indeed just like most women are very human.

Patricia, I am going to respond to you comprehensively just this once.

Firstly, you cannot claim that men's violence is worse than women's violence and then claim that calling someone "dear" is equivalent to a physical assault. While I've no doubt that Chaz would love to hit me and as a woman she thinks she is entitled to do so, as a man I'm used to being called much worse by women and had grown accustomed to moderating my responses by the time I was perhaps 10.

Second, an analogy is just that: a way of examining a problem in a different form. Thus I may use an analogy of fluid flow to illustrate the way in which electric current behaves. It's not perfect, but it can help in the understanding. Similarly, the dog with a bone analogy is an excellent fit with the desperate afforts by those who gain from a maternal bias in the Family Law to stop anyone from interfering with their meal made of the misery of others. The fact that you and Chaz and Ammonite have become so exercised over it tends to confirm its aptness.

Third, you confuse the general with the specific, consistently. Thus, even if I am violent, it makes no difference to the claim that false allegations of violence are made and that these false allegations are perniciously motivated. In fact, since you have made the claim with no supporting evidence, it tends once again to support the contrary view, not that there was any question, really.

Fourth, please do something about Chaz's reversion to childhood. she may have been cute as a young girl, but I suspect she was one of those without many friends. It can't be good for her to relive those days.

Ammonite, for once I must congratulate you on a post. Despite the best eforts of the maternal bias crowd to pretend otherwise, as you say, men are human too.

Antiseptic, I said that you contradict yourself and continue to do so because while you profess innocence for fathers accused of domestic violence in the family court, you continue to use verbal abuse; one of the tactics of domestic violence, to make that claim. Your latest post shows a continuing use of verbal violence but it tends to incriminate you as someone who is not objective.

By your own words you have disclosed that you may have been a victim of your mother’s verbal abuse. Perhaps that is why you have such a strong position against your perceived “maternal bias”. If this is so, then I am sorry that you were subjected to such heinous abuse from the woman that should have been your supporter and defender.

Your personal history however, is no basis for you to now argue that men are less violent than women and men accused of domestic violence in the family court are innocent. In fact, your personal experience “as a man used to being called much worse by women and had grown accustomed to moderating my responses by the time I was perhaps 10” should now be experience that demonstrates to you the debilitating power of verbal abuse.

I am sorry that your mother and other women have been abusive to you. I can understand why you appear “anti-mother”. But thus in no way gives you the right to inflict verbal abuse on me or anyone else that does not agree with you. It’s time that you recognise that your own personal experience is not a reliable basis for your position.

Many mothers are good loving mothers and many fathers are also good loving fathers, but the issue for the court is to distinguish between good parents and bad parents.

Nevertheless, in an interview on ABC radio with Martin Powley in 2004 regarding child abuse and parenting, Dr Kerry Sullivan stated that when a mother asks for help, the hospital makes an appointment within the week. When a father contacts the hospital asking for help, they send an ambulance.

Antiseptic

You hurt so much. I cannot take away your pain, only you can heal yourself.

But if you harm my sisters, do not expect mercy.