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Five minutes for Gilad Shalit : Comments
By Sam Tatarka, published 24/6/2011Gilad Shalit was kidnapped by Hamas and has now spent the best 20 percent of his life in solitary confinement. Time for his release.
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Posted by Whispering, Sunday, 26 June 2011 7:58:50 AM
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Elinor, no I don't have a blog. I have been working for NGO's for years and have been to Gaza twice. Unfortunately I am a bit disillusioned with the Politics now intrenched in the managemnet and staff of NGO unless you are Pro Palestinian and anti American , anti- Israel you are the odd person out .I have the attitude perhaps naivly that we should all be A- Political and that no matter what Muslim -Jew - Christian Israeli or Arab we should treat everyone with the same compassion but that is far from what is reality and the hatred for Israel by most who I work with is dissapointing.
Posted by Ray Walker, Sunday, 26 June 2011 8:17:10 AM
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GENEVA, June 23 | Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:48am EDT
GENEVA, June 23 (Reuters) - The Red Cross called on Hamas on Thursday to provide proof that Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit, captured by Palestinian militants nearly five years ago, is alive http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/23/palestinians-israel-idUSLDE75M0HU20110623 The Palestinians want to have it both ways they don't want their leadership Hamas to be a signatory to any Geneva conventions or to be responsible to any International obligations { let oalne Morality] yet they want the same conventions , UN and International community to help them. Posted by burdy, Sunday, 26 June 2011 9:05:01 AM
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Dear Ray,
You refer to a nearly universal condemnation of the actions of Israel by other NGOs (hatred is a touch overblown but used extensively by pro-Israel opinion givers), but I'm wondering if it doesn't ever prompt you to question the validity of your own stand? I mean if you are the odd man out in the NGO field then perhaps that might be telling you something. If you are the same Ray Walker as this one then I understand how hard it might be; "Ray has extensive experience in the Christian sector. After 25 years in tourism and hospitality, he spent eight years as National Operations Manager for World Vision Australia, followed by senior leadership positions at Sports Chaplaincy Australia, Focus on the Family Australia, RTK Corporate and Festival Victoria with Franklin Graham 2005. Most recently, Ray has been Development Manager at Evangelical Alliance,". To paraphrase your remarks to Ulis; 'Judging by your over the top advocacy for the israelis and seemingly entrenched conservative Christian mindset, you are obviously too close to the subject to be taken as a serious analyst'. If you are a different Mr Walker I apologize. My father-in-law is a fundamentalist Christian but even he has the good grace to acknowledge his unswerving support for Israel as his 'weakness' dictated by his faith. Posted by csteele, Sunday, 26 June 2011 6:10:17 PM
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Dear Burdy,
Since you seem quite knowledgable on the subject can you tell me of the fate of the two brothers kidnapped by an Israeli commando incursion into Gaza the day before the taking of Gilad? Their names are Osama and Mustafa Muamar. The raid occurred at 3:30 am and their father was blindfolded and beaten in the raid. It was the first taking of Palestinian civilians in a full year following the handing back of Gaza. You might need to enlighten me if you consider the Israeli kidnapping of the Maumar brothers legal while that of Gilad illegal. If so why? Also tackling a tank with RPGs is I would have thought a touch braver than beating a handcuffed and blindfolded father with rifle butts. What do you think? I feel if the victims of the original kidnapping that ignited this whole sorry mess have been released then the victim of the revenge kidnapping, Gilad, has a case for due consideration. Dear Elinor, I did note you neglected to mention the 20 Palestinians who were freed in exchange for a DVD of Gilad were women. This was in line with Hama's original demand; "Shalit's captors issued a statement on Monday, 26 June 2006, offering information on Shalit if Israel agreed to release all female Palestinian prisoners and all Palestinian prisoners under the age of 18, who were held without charges and tried without the right of defense." Was your omission willful because it might have shed a more favorable light on Hamas or was it ignorance? Do you think it was an unreasonable request by Hamas? Posted by csteele, Sunday, 26 June 2011 10:25:01 PM
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Csteele you are getting tiresome and I am getting bored with your Palestinian propaganda.
If only you and your Palestinian lobbyist friends would spend as much time trying to convince your people to stop fighting with each other and elect a young leader that is not a Islamist fanatic and would like his/her country to be like Israel , where no matter what religion you can enter parliament and have a say and where life not martyrdom is more popular. Please read this information and you may learn something, this will be my last post on this subject. http://walloflies.org/ Posted by burdy, Sunday, 26 June 2011 11:52:28 PM
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In addition, apologists for the barbarian Hamas regime often claim Israel breached the "cease fire" by attacking six terrorists on 4 November 2008. They conveniently omit to mention that these terrorists were attempting to infiltrate the border in an attempt to capture or kill more Israeli soldiers like Gilad Shalit.
It seems to me that the only way to sustain an argument in favour of a regime like Hamas whose Covenant mandates genocide against the Jews is with the use of brazen lies.